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Vaccine passports and mask exemptions

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salmonskinjerky · 31/03/2021 17:25

The language around the vaccine passport debate has been really shocking - dehumanising, completely unnuanced and very dangerous indeed. It seems like the majority of posters on MN would support vaccine passports for everyday activities and the posters who admit to not being keen on getting the vaccine are called selfish, a danger to others and told that they ought to live as hermits.

I remember when there were a lot of threads about mask exemptions and the overall consensus was that people who felt unable to wear masks for various reasons should be allowed to go about their business without challenge, despite the fact that they posed an additional risk to the health of the people around them. This is in spite of the fact that an unmasked person posed more of a risk to others in the time before anyone had the protection of a vaccine than an unvaccinated person would pose to a person who had been vaccinated. The view that many held was that a mask exempt person should not be questioned about their reasons for not wearing a mask. And that it would be discriminatory to not allow them into indoor public spaces.

I would like to hear from people who make a distinction between people who are mask exempt and people who are unvaccinated for various reasons and why the two should be treated differently.

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Heathermary1995 · 01/04/2021 22:53

I think the general view of people is starting to change. Only a few weeks ago if anyone said they don't wish to take the vaccine there would be a tirade of abuse ranging from tin hats, to anti vaxers, to the spawn of satan.

It's completely reasonable any individual should make an autonomous decision regarding their own health relating to what they inject into themselves without feeling emotionally blackmailed by what can only be described as hysterical frothing at the mouth posters behaving like a rabies infested dogs apoplectic with rage anyone shouldn't follow the vaccine narrative. As already discussed, a vaccine is a health choice and at no stage should that choice cross the line into a political one to encourage or relax legislation that pertains to others or even their own lives.

Aside from any concerns relating to the first jab ( and second) new booster injections are lined up for Autumn.. as a healthy, relatively young person I don't want to be having injections every few weeks/months for a disease highly unlikely to affect me and anyone implying a government that essentially enforces people to subject their bodies to medical treatment they don't want in order to participate in this society has got serious issues with their own perspective and moral compass contrary to the so called " anti vaxers"

reformedcharacters · 01/04/2021 22:58

Here’s another thing that would have shocked me a year ago but now doesn’t surprise me, and we’re expected to trust the data?

Next slide please.....

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-56556806

AcornAutumn · 01/04/2021 23:00

@reformedcharacters

AcornAutumn

I supported the first lockdown as we didn’t know what we were dealing with, I even defended the government on here, but as I’ve watched the blatant lies gaslighting and suppression of scientific debate over the past year it has become clear there was an agenda.

As soon as I knew vaccine passports were being considered that changed my view completely as I was very aware of how dangerous they are.

More people are waking up to it.

That's interesting.

Thank you for saying that you've changed your mind. It's quite a weird world for me, I've got people who will never apologise for thinking I was upset about nothing, or even acknowledge that they thought I was crazy.

reformedcharacters · 01/04/2021 23:19

AcornAutumn

I think the reasons myself and others wouldn’t listen at the time is because of the ‘5G conspiracies’, it made people afraid to look beyond the MSM and government announcements.

AcornAutumn · 01/04/2021 23:22

@reformedcharacters

AcornAutumn

I think the reasons myself and others wouldn’t listen at the time is because of the ‘5G conspiracies’, it made people afraid to look beyond the MSM and government announcements.

Such a pity

I don't know anything about 5G so the idea that my concerns would go in a box like that is bizarre.

reformedcharacters · 01/04/2021 23:26

AcornAutumn

That’s just my hypothesis, others may have different reasons. I still have no idea what that’s about either and I can’t be bothered to find out.

There’s still posters on here that accuse people of being 5G conspiracy theorists as a default for disagreeing.

reformedcharacters · 01/04/2021 23:32

In recent days on these threads I’ve been called stupid, deranged and an effing moron (to name a few) for pointing out the pitfalls of forced/coerced vaccination but as I think this is the most serious issue we have ever faced in this country I will continue to voice my concerns.

AcornAutumn · 01/04/2021 23:35

@reformedcharacters

In recent days on these threads I’ve been called stupid, deranged and an effing moron (to name a few) for pointing out the pitfalls of forced/coerced vaccination but as I think this is the most serious issue we have ever faced in this country I will continue to voice my concerns.
I wonder what I'd have faced if I'd been on MN a year ago!
dividedwefall · 01/04/2021 23:37

I agree @reformedcharacters. I haven't protested since the start of the Iraq war, and I feel even more strongly about this than I did that. This is a hill I am prepared to die on to be honest. Even if I wanted the vaccine I would not get it on principle. I think many people feel this way.

Even Tobias Ellwood is getting cold feet and he was one of the most vocal supporters of a passport a few months ago!

twitter.com/Tobias_Ellwood/status/1377741075796926471

Heathermary1995 · 01/04/2021 23:37

@reformedcharacters

In recent days on these threads I’ve been called stupid, deranged and an effing moron (to name a few) for pointing out the pitfalls of forced/coerced vaccination but as I think this is the most serious issue we have ever faced in this country I will continue to voice my concerns.
I agree, I don't know whats more terrifying- the government legislation with " vaccine passports etc" or people blindly accepting it surrendering free will of their own bodies to be injected to function in society. Future generations will be looking back at this period in human history in absolute horror at what is going on similar to how we look back at times gone by now with forced injections of the masses
reformedcharacters · 01/04/2021 23:42

dividedwefall

I’m seriously considering turning mine down in protest as I know others are. People are sleep walking into a disaster with this.

reformedcharacters · 01/04/2021 23:46

Heathermary1995

Agree. We are condemning future generations and there will be no turning back.

MercyBooth · 01/04/2021 23:53

Im not against having the vaccine. Its the vaccine passports that are aborrent. Im also considering not having the former if they bring in the latter.

howrudeforme · 01/04/2021 23:55

I thought vacc passports were the norm?

Travelling to certain countries in my youth you had to have certain vaccines to enter.

DS had a vacc last year and they told him to keep his proof safe as he wouldn’t get to uni without it.

MercyBooth · 01/04/2021 23:57

These are internal ones For use within our country.

reformedcharacters · 02/04/2021 00:03

howrudeforme

PM about to announce on Monday that they will be introduced domestically and the only exceptions will be supermarkets, GPs and hospitals.

After the government lying numerous times over the past year and assuring people they were not being considered.

reformedcharacters · 02/04/2021 00:07

Here’s a reminder of the lies:

mobile.twitter.com/BigBrotherWatch/status/1372852479931650052

dividedwefall · 02/04/2021 00:09

This is a good one -
mobile.twitter.com/_IanGreen/status/1377749646035070980/photo/1

reformedcharacters · 02/04/2021 00:10

I’ve never protested in my life but I’m about to start.

whatswithtodaytoday · 02/04/2021 00:11

Not having a vaccination to keep you and the people around you safe so that you can't carry a vaccine passport is surely completely illogical?

If you don't want to carry one, don't.

RhubarbTea · 02/04/2021 00:11

@reformedcharacters

howrudeforme

PM about to announce on Monday that they will be introduced domestically and the only exceptions will be supermarkets, GPs and hospitals.

After the government lying numerous times over the past year and assuring people they were not being considered.

Do you have a new article source for it, @reformedcharacters ? I saw in the Standard an article which mentioned it in passing saying the government are currently drawing up a list of 'essential' public buildings you can still access without having had the vaccine. Which is a horrifying thought.
reformedcharacters · 02/04/2021 00:14

Here you go:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2021/04/01/shops-hospitals-and-gps-to-be-exempt-from-vaccine-passport-scheme-14342169/amp/

It’s also in the Times but behind a paywall.

RhubarbTea · 02/04/2021 00:18

Thank you. I'm wondering what they will do about public transport. Anyone have any ideas?

AcornAutumn · 02/04/2021 00:20

RhubarbTea

Coming through London Bridge station a couple of days ago, they were offering "free" rapid covid tests.

I do believe this will cover public transport. At that point, I'm caught in the net. I have to use it for work and elderly mum.

As I said, I have fought since the very start but I'm captured there. I also have several health issues - had my first jab - and I think eventually it will be required for healthcare.

reformedcharacters · 02/04/2021 00:20

RhubarbTea

No idea as yet, guess we’ll have to wait for the update from Adolf Johnson.