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Vaccine passports and mask exemptions

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salmonskinjerky · 31/03/2021 17:25

The language around the vaccine passport debate has been really shocking - dehumanising, completely unnuanced and very dangerous indeed. It seems like the majority of posters on MN would support vaccine passports for everyday activities and the posters who admit to not being keen on getting the vaccine are called selfish, a danger to others and told that they ought to live as hermits.

I remember when there were a lot of threads about mask exemptions and the overall consensus was that people who felt unable to wear masks for various reasons should be allowed to go about their business without challenge, despite the fact that they posed an additional risk to the health of the people around them. This is in spite of the fact that an unmasked person posed more of a risk to others in the time before anyone had the protection of a vaccine than an unvaccinated person would pose to a person who had been vaccinated. The view that many held was that a mask exempt person should not be questioned about their reasons for not wearing a mask. And that it would be discriminatory to not allow them into indoor public spaces.

I would like to hear from people who make a distinction between people who are mask exempt and people who are unvaccinated for various reasons and why the two should be treated differently.

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reformedcharacters · 04/04/2021 14:48

Cannot confirm this from Twitter but worrying if true:

mobile.twitter.com/arrhton/status/1378696184450154498

dividedwefall · 04/04/2021 15:04

[quote reformedcharacters]Cannot confirm this from Twitter but worrying if true:

mobile.twitter.com/arrhton/status/1378696184450154498[/quote]
Wow. I thought the Israeli government couldn't sink any lower. What is going on? Israel, of all the places in the world, segregating people.

Prior to this I would honestly bet my house that Israel would not do such a thing and yet here it is the world leader.#

There's gonna be an 'Exodus' out of Israel if this carries on.

reformedcharacters · 04/04/2021 15:09

dividedwefall

Me too. Israel have been the biggest shocker for me in all of this.

Username198 · 04/04/2021 15:11

@dividedwefall Hmm who’d have thought Israel would segregate people. Maybe speak to the Palestinians.

dividedwefall · 04/04/2021 15:38

[quote Username198]@dividedwefall Hmm who’d have thought Israel would segregate people. Maybe speak to the Palestinians.[/quote]
Well yes, you do have a point. I was talking purely about their treatment in Europe during the last war but yes, the Palestinians have endured terrible injustice at their hands. Still shocked they would do it to themselves though.

reformedcharacters · 05/04/2021 20:08

[quote MercyBooth]www.spectator.co.uk/article/johnson-is-in-trouble-over-vaccine-passports-and-it-s-showing[/quote]
This again shows that out PM had repeatedly lied and misled the public, and continues to do so. It’s time that the public demand he resigns.

dividedwefall · 05/04/2021 21:57

He will never resign for being caught out lying (a million times)

I know people have always said politicians lie but I have been taken aback by how they can do it so brazenly and obviously (including the Prime Minister) himself, and there are no repercussions or rules against it!

Theresa May told a few whoppers in her short tenure too and I couldn't believe she got away with it.

canigooutyet · 05/04/2021 23:16

Wasn’t BJ sacked in the past for his bullshit?
Never mind hiding in the fridge or pocketing the reporters phone and walking away with it 😂

MercyBooth · 05/04/2021 23:37

@canigooutyet Yeah Funny how he didnt care about the NHS being overstretched then.

reformedcharacters · 07/04/2021 15:46

700 businesses surveyed, 70% say passports are not necessary:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56647673

puffinkoala · 07/04/2021 15:53

Hmm that means 30% think they are. Oh dear.

reformedcharacters · 07/04/2021 15:55

@puffinkoala

Hmm that means 30% think they are. Oh dear.
Well the 30% can take their chances then
dividedwefall · 07/04/2021 16:44

Thanks @MercyBooth looks like another great article in a mainstream publication asking the same questions we are. Unfortunately I am unable to by-pass the paywall on the spectator.

reformedcharacters · 07/04/2021 16:50

dividedwefall

From the article:

I am seriously concerned that we may already have fallen too far down the slippery slope. The latest incarnation of this recurring authoritarian nightmare comes in the form of vaccine passports, with government propping this up as the ‘final’ way to ‘get out’ of the pandemic (I am losing count of how many of those have been posited to date). Not only would vaccine passports ignore the fact that coercion is widely regarded as bad practice in public health, it would once again leave behind the most vulnerable in society, branding many as outcasts. Groups who lack trust in authorities are most likely to reject vaccines, and coercing them to take one is unlikely to improve that trust. In 2004, Boris Johnson said that if an ‘arm of the state’ ever asked him to produce an ID card, he would eat it in front of them. But vaccine passports now seem to be a foregone conclusion, and it’s hard to see what the PM actually stands for – his ‘liberal at heart’ platitudes are just not believable. The man seems to simply be a vessel for the opinions and ideas of others. Doubly concerning, one backbench conservative MP told me last week that he has recently come to believe that government’s ‘no return to lockdown’ promise is built upon mandatory vaccinations and vaccine passports.

Public opinion, especially when created by fear, is fickle. Now that such a high proportion of the population have been vaccinated, for how much longer will we tolerate restrictions on our lives and livelihoods? The local elections in May are perhaps the perfect testing ground for this. Yes, they are ‘just local elections’, but they can and have been used by the public to make their feelings on current affairs known. I can only hope that the public will take this opportunity to let the government know that this creeping authoritarianism is not acceptable.

WRITTEN BY
Dr Jade Norris

dividedwefall · 07/04/2021 16:54

Thanks @MercyBooth. It's a good summary of all the topics we have discussed on here over recent days, with the added horror of mandatory vax from the back bench MP.

Thankfully she doesn't have militant mumsnetters sniping at her for not explaining why the government would want to do this

MercyBooth · 07/04/2021 17:06

Oh was going to c and p but @reformedcharacters beat me to it
I tried to post this last night but it kept failing because MN was practically unusable
www.smh.com.au/world/europe/who-urges-against-vaccine-passports-even-for-international-travel-20210407-p57h0d.html

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