Vaccine passports and mask exemptions

[salmonskinjerky]

The language around the vaccine passport debate has been really shocking - dehumanising, completely unnuanced and very dangerous indeed. It seems like the majority of posters on MN would support vaccine passports for everyday activities and the posters who admit to not being keen on getting the vaccine are called selfish, a danger to others and told that they ought to live as hermits.

I remember when there were a lot of threads about mask exemptions and the overall consensus was that people who felt unable to wear masks for various reasons should be allowed to go about their business without challenge, despite the fact that they posed an additional risk to the health of the people around them. This is in spite of the fact that an unmasked person posed more of a risk to others in the time before anyone had the protection of a vaccine than an unvaccinated person would pose to a person who had been vaccinated. The view that many held was that a mask exempt person should not be questioned about their reasons for not wearing a mask. And that it would be discriminatory to not allow them into indoor public spaces.

I would like to hear from people who make a distinction between people who are mask exempt and people who are unvaccinated for various reasons and why the two should be treated differently.

FlyLight

This was the problem, people didn’t take it seriously. Even though the issue has been debated and it looks like the totalitarian government are ignoring, I urge those who oppose vaccine passports to sign the below petition and watch the embedded debate.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/569957#debate-threshold

Even if I could have it I would be holding off.
1 because the trials are still continuing and from what we have witnessed this year, the trials missed some things. Vipit and allergies and who really knows what else.

1. It's not part of the vaccine compensation scheme. Ok the scheme hasn't paid out loads compared to vaccination given. However payments have been paid. If the pharmaceutical companies were so sure in their safety claims, and government was so certain, why no liability? This never sat right with me from the first time it was mentioned.

@Thejoyfulstar

Does anyone remember the media reports coming out of Wuhan, before Covid hit the rest of the world? There were photos of people who had 'dropped dead' on the streets from this new coronavirus. I remember thinking "wow, what a terrible virus!'. Why were there no photos of Europeans dropping dead on the streets? No pictures of Brits just collapsing on their way home from work with Covid? Why were the pictures from China telling a certain story, which didn't translate to be true when people outside of China started getting Covid? What was the point of that propaganda?

That video scared the shit out of me at the time until I realised that it was obviously not true. That along with the fact that covid had blatantly been in the UK for much longer than the first reported case made me start questioning the entire situation.

Those saying that they wouldn’t mix with unvaccinated people when thy have had the vaccine. Do you not trust the vaccine to keep you safe.
What about those people who have had Covid so are immune yet haven’t had the vaccine.
Do you think the vaccine is the only protection

And everyone's going along with it. People look at you like you've sprouted another head if you show the slightest bit of hesitancy about the vaccine. I'm really hoping I've still got antibodies from having had covid!

I still had antibodies back in February (could still have them that was the last lot of comprehensive testing I had). I had cv back in March last year.
I'm still a selfish cow though because for some reason this doesn't count.

Someone has really done a number on people when even those who know this vaccine won't work on them but are still having it. Why would you? Am I the only one when medication doesn't work I don't take it?

The number of posts Ive read which have said " Feeling like death, in bed for 3 days, etc etc " but all worth it as Ive had the vaccine..really? People want to do that every few months? Booster shots are already confirmed as being needed for the ones that had the early vaccine shots so potentially days of feeling like hell every few months that may or may not have long term side effects to function in society for a virus that poses little threat to young people. No wonder the other nations have lower vaccine compliance rates than the UK.. is there something in the water over here or something? I don't want to live like that

I thought boosters were just for groups 1-4? @Heathermary1995

@TierdOfLockdown

I thought boosters were just for groups 1-4? *@Heathermary1995*

Nope, we are all to be jabbed every few months

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/people-need-covid-vaccines-every-23280233

Hancock here as you can see says 6 months but apparently could be 3 times a year which would be every 4 months presumably. I am going to bed, at least some respite from this lunatic world

There’s a thread on here with a bunch of posters who had the vaccine shitting themselves after the news that Canada is latest country to raise concerns with the AZ, and a lot are trying to convince them that they are more at risk from covid than unknown vaccine complications. I’m staying out of it because my concern is with the government forcing people into that constant state of terror just to be a member of society.

Interestingly enough, before the first news came out of the EU of the bans I’d just read an open letter from a group of scientists who were being ignored by the EMA when raising concerns about covid vaccines and blood clotting issues. Makes you wonder.

Another ludicrous aspect to it all is no one even has a say which vaccine they are ordered to have injected into their bodies.. you are expected to roll up and have either the pfizer vaccine which is completely different technology to the Oxford one or the latter and " be grateful as you are getting it"..... for a virus that is less likely to kill a young person than crossing a road. No thanks! You'd think they would at least give people the choice what they are having but not even that

they tested the public's reaction to enforced medical interventions when they changed the organ donor register to Compulsory and sweetened it with an opt-out option. No real reaction against the change that now means your body is state property.
Similar if people are to be excluded from private business establishments, then they won't be spending money with them via other avenues, and if excluded from other public amenities and treated as 2nd class citizens then there should also be a reduction in their contribution to the state coffers

twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1377688095055884288?s=20

There you go. An elected British politician saying it's okay to have a bit of inequality for a while".

I’m against anything that is made mandatory - either by law or by social pressure - when it comes to medical procedures. People should be able to weigh up and decide on their own risk factors.

My 70yr old mum with COPD has different factors to consider than my 20yr old daughter who has already had Covid, for example.

I also dislike masks and hate that they are currently mandatory. I might well decide that in some situations they are necessary but hate that they are forced on me and it takes away my breath and my sight for every thing I do outside the home.

If it's a jab every few months, I'm not having my second one.

This is the problem, many may not realise that the indications are that a vaccine would be required every 6 months.

Oh and I have no link for this but I read that any ‘tweaked’ version of the vaccine will not require the same approval as the initial one.

Imagine the future of jabs every few months causing christ knows what side effects with vaccinations 2 or 3 times a year to be called an upstanding citizen. I'm sure many will be prepared to take days off work and be potentially bedridden every few months for a short time, it's not for me

Six months protection is nothing.
Wonder how many more will now be refusing.

If I was still able to work, I wouldn't be having the boosters. All that extra time off gets us pulled in for a sickness thing. Then there's the potential loss of income for those sick days until sick pay kicks in which could be the very reduced ssp. And of course the poor sods on zero hour contract

Funny how the government are not being upfront with people about the frequency of treatment that will be needed. Not exactly informed consent is it.

And yet on other threads it's all 'for god sake take the vaccine, I don't want you infecting my family etc'
People have lost all common sense.

You may have a point regarding the higher risks to the vulnerable but as they have now been vaccinated not maintaining full disclosure to younger people is disgusting.

@Heathermary1995

You may have a point regarding the higher risks to the vulnerable but as they have now been vaccinated not maintaining full disclosure to younger people is disgusting.

Doesn't everyone deserve full disclosure?

Hancock here as you can see says 6 months but apparently could be 3 times a year which would be every 4 months presumably. I am going to bed, at least some respite from this lunatic world

Has he got shares in Big Pharma or something?? From what I understand about the variants, there's some 'convergence' going on and there's only a limited amount of mutations that can confer any advantage to the virus. Most are harmless or weaken the virus. Honestly the fear factor has really been ramping up lately. I don't understand it, don't governments want people back at work and boosting the economy? The vulnerable have been vaccinated. Time to get back to normality. I am so done with the bullshit narrative!