EU threaten to cut off vaccine supply to the UK 3

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Didn't the nz president? Have it the other day or have I dreamt that and just made it up

Our Prime Minister hasn't had her vaccine yet, and we are only using Pfizer.

@ForeverAintEnough12 you are lucky your family have been vaccinated if you were in Europe you would be waiting a long time.

Interesting article re Sputnik vaccine, I think will be a while until it’s approved.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/31/merkel-macron-and-putin-sputnik-v-vaccine-eu

Merkel says Germany can’t ignore AZ findings? No one will use it now.

www.thelocal.de/20210330/germany-cannot-ignore-astrazeneca-findings-says-merkel/

@MRex yes it was a generalisation.
I suspect it's just one manufacturer, the one currently supplying the rest of the EU's vaccines

This is going to sound awful but even if all of this blood clots were caused by any vaccination AND THERE IS NO PROOF OF THIS AT ALL it would still make sense to have carried out with the roll-out any way.

Sadly the delay in the roll-out will cause so many more deaths from Covid across many countries.

It's interesting there are so many cases of clots in Germany.
It would be interesting to see what OTC drugs are routinely taken there and how they compare to the ones taken in the UK.
Do they take more aspirin, for example, whereas we would take paracetamol?

JamesAnderson

or the company that pushes to be on countries vaccine response/roll out bboards.

wish I could find the article again, saying they were trying to get on a countries board. You do have to wonder how many boards they are already on and 'advising'

NewYearNewTwatName

Yes, I think we're thinking the same company.

This is a much bigger risk than Astrazeneca but nothing was made of it at all in the EU. 🤷🏼‍♂️

www.tga.gov.au/media-release/norwegian-investigation-covid-19-vaccination-risks-elderly-very-frail-patients

It's interesting there are so many cases of clots in Germany
Do you know how many AZ jabs they have given and am I right in thinking that there have been 31 cases of blood clots?

Our world in data suggests 2.6 million

I thought 30, but could be 31

Our world in data suggests 2.6 million - I thought 30, but could be 31
So protecting 1.3 million people risked for possible remote risk of 30 cases of blood clots. Is it just me or does that seem very wrong??

Info on blood clotting disorders - not all of the same type, btw

blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/03/30/blood-clots-and-the-az-vaccine-revisited

Covid is of course also a vascular disease (stroke, heart arrhythmia, clotting, covid toes etc)

What I don't get is why we are not seeing the numbers here - because we have done younger people in categories 1, 2, 4 and 6, and the use of the yellow card scheme has been so strongly encouraged

Oh, I agree, totally.

It does seem excessive though, compared to our 5 in 10 million or so. It makes you wonder if there isn't something else increasing the risk

Something isn't quite right here that's for sure!

I will start by saying every serious side effect should be thoroughly investigated and taken extremely seriously even if the connection is a loose one - we must ensure that vaccines are safe. I am sufficiently comfortable with the data in the UK to feel that having my az as a mid forties woman was a perfectly safe and reasonable thing to do.

Looking at the German decision to suspend for the THIRD time and decide to use the Sputnik vaccine that has no peer reviews, is not even licensed for use yet anywhere in Europe. It does not make sense to put your trust in a vaccine that hasn't passed any kind of regulation, but not one that has been proven to work and is safe to use.

Now though I really can see the potential reason for Merkel doing so.

Germany have invested heavily into Nordsteam with Russia, they have been accused of putting profit before all else, given what has happened Alexei Navalny who was almost killed by the Russian state for choosing to be a vocal opposition to Putin, and was treated in German hospitals in the end.
The connection however between Russia and Germany has been slowly warming up for a long time even after the annexation of Crimea.

Germany is supposed to be in an alliance with the UK/US and the west but its actions lately have become extremely questionable.

Not only do we see the Nordstream pipeline continuing despite international condemnation, but we also see the EU commission trying to force through this deal with China over the new year:

www.afr.com/world/europe/eu-china-trade-deal-is-a-trojan-horse-sellout-20210329-p57f0e

What if what we are seeing now is in fact a pivot to join an alliance with Russia and China. The EU (Mainly Germany, but I include the Commission) is beginning to look like it is no longer a solid friend of the West, and quite the reverse.

www.afr.com/world/europe/eu-china-trade-deal-is-a-trojan-horse-sellout-20210329-p57f0e

The deal is going DESPITE US stating clearly to the EU that it will undermine and put China in an even stronger position. Given China's human rights and the situation with the concentration camps full of millions of Uighurs one has to wonder why the EU would even consider a deal with a country happy to torture its own people in camps?

This is looking more and more political by the second and it is a very worrying development, and over shadows the vaccine row.

Only a few days ago France said this on Sputnik:

"In terms of how it is managed, it is more a means of propaganda and aggressive diplomacy than a means of solidarity and health aid," Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian told France Info radio.

news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1582783-20210326.htm

So why are Germany so keen to use it?
And now even Macron has agreed despite his OWN government ministers saying Russia is weaponising the Sputnik vaccine.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/03/30/france-germany-discuss-sputnik-jab-putin/

Are German and French voters happy to have untested and unregulated vaccine? And all this will mean for them geo politically?

It seems the health and trust of the nations of the EU are largely irrelevant to the bigger picture that is emerging now.

This will be why VDL did not sign the world leader pact - it is all becoming crystal clear to me at least.

I think the EU want out of the AZ contract and they are trying ways to say AZ have not met the contract, that’s why they want Sputnik as they will be 300 million short on doses. What about all those poor women in Germany who have the 1st shot of AZ what do they now do about the 2nd?

@Itsalonghauli read about the oil pipeline about 4 weeks ago, I was shocked it had been allowed to go through, it is nearly finished now after 10 years so I think this is very worrying. Now that is evil to stop a vaccine that can save lives because of an oil business deal.

Putin wants to make Russia a significant major military power again while Germany is endeavouring to become an economic superpower. German businessmen and banks see Russia as a great chance to establish long-lasting and mutually beneficial business relations.

The general attitude of many right-wing parties is to stress the values of domestic nationalism and to be against Atlanticism (i.e. the US). Moreover, their aim is to break Germany’s ties with Western principles and therefore distance themselves from NATO and the EU. The most radical right-wing party is Alternative for Germany (AfD). One of its political aims is to improve German-Russian relations based on historical events and agreements, the origins of empress Catherine the Great, and the pro-Russia agreements and policies of Otto von Bismarck (Prussian Ambassador in St. Petersburg 1859–62 and later German chancellor).11

Such high-level politicians have great power to influence their country’s policies and to use it on the international stage. Their statements affect the attitudes of other countries towards US and Russian proposals in international organisations. It’s no surprise that the leaders of the parties who constantly fight for power have to express their beliefs every time before elections to attract voters. From this it seems that Germany’s entire political landscape―from extreme left to extreme right―has gradually come to support Russia.

What does Germany’s general political distancing from the US and rapprochement with Russia mean for NATO—and, therefore, for our defence?

What if Germany has decided Russia and China are more valuable to her than the US alliance and NATO? Because that is very much what it is looking like to me.

And moreover it looks like Germany is quite determined to take the whole of the EU with them (hence the instalment of none other than VDL at the head)

I wonder how Eastern Europeans are feeling about this?

icds.ee/en/collaboration-between-russia-and-germany-could-it-lead-to-history-repeating-itself/

apnews.com/article/business-europe-angela-merkel-germany-russia-0387cccb22cbc45376d757aa82b542c9

If you guys were detectives all, of the criminals would have to get new "jobs".

You don't miss a trick!!

What we seeing now, is not a vaccine issue - but a geo political pivot that is playing out on the covid stage.

To say that it is staggering is an understatement.

On Friday, German Chancellor Angela Merkel stood by her support for the gas pipeline despite Russia’s treatment of opposition leader Alexei Navalny case and the threat of U.S. sanctions

The fuckers is all I can say

(and I never swear)