EU threaten to cut off vaccine supply to the UK 3

[EasterIssland]

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Spain found an underlying cause that ruled out the vaccine as a cause.

Is there any comparable data on side effects of the Sputnik vaccine? That's been in use long enough that any issues should have emerged by now.

I feel sorry for oxford and AZ to be honest. An easy accessible vaccine , which is effective and not for profit. Designed so it can reach every corner of the globe.. that's no mean feat and extremely generous. Look how much money the other vaccines are making!

Can someone confirm me something ?

So Spanish media are reporting that eu has blocked az vaccines as of last weeks meeting.
If you read the British media it says that actually they didn’t agree on it at the end

So what happened at the end , is there blockage on az ?

@EasterIssland

Can someone confirm me something ?

So Spanish media are reporting that eu has blocked az vaccines as of last weeks meeting.
If you read the British media it says that actually they didn’t agree on it at the end

So what happened at the end , is there blockage on az ?

Looks like Boris gave up the chance to get doses from Halix; UK got close to nothing out of Helix so far and didn't expect much in coming months because it had to kick-start Covax. So it looks to me like he gave up half a chance of getting not much AZ in July, in exchange for a couple of batches of Pfizer doses due to be delivered within days and weeks.

Thanks @MRex

I was thinking more for other contries and the effect of them I.e Australia whether they’d ban it as well

Didn't the nz president? Have it the other day or have I dreamt that and just made it up

Looks like I must of dreamt it and think they may only have pfizer anyway

Thailand president had it. Not sure where they are getting it from

Covid causes blood clots, including the rare type being reported as a "vaccine side effect". Have any of these people been tested for covid?

The yellow card scheme is reporting a similar level of side effects in Pfizer and AZ, funny how it's only one we hear about from elsewhere. India is not reporting problems.

here you go

www.brusselstimes.com/news/eu-affairs/162559/astrazeneca-vaccine-now-renamed-as-vaxzevria-ema-european-eu-uk-swedish-lakemedelsverket/

rs.n1info.com/english/news/astrazeneca-vaccine-renamed-vaxzevria/

Does anyone know who gets to sit on vaccine advisory boards in the different countries?

it just I saw an article about it (might have been Denmark but not sure), were Pfizer were pushing to be on the advisory board, as they claimed the country needed their input because of the country making slow progress and or mistakes.
can't remember where I read it now.

but now I'm starting to think maybe Pfizer are on a few of these boards in other countries?

I totally believe the for profit vaccine manufacturers are behind the Astrazeneca smear campaign

Well I find it strange that a place in Canada pauses the AZ roll out, based on waiting for evidence to come out in Europe, leaving everyone scratching their heads thinking why now? but then later Germany announces its pause again.

someone sharing details before even it's own government decides and makes public?

@JamesAnderson

I totally believe the for profit vaccine manufacturers are behind the Astrazeneca smear campaign

I wouldn't believe that multiple companies are all behind it. One of them, maybe.

I totally believe the for profit vaccine manufacturers are behind the Astrazeneca smear campaign

Or the Russians. Trash the AZ then ride to the rescue with Sputnik, and leave a lot of people feeling really really grateful to you.

@Baileysforchristmas my family members have had Pfizer and AZ - why?

@Itsalonghaul can you point me toward where I said German data had shown the clotting issue was caused by AZ? I simply reported what I had read which was that the incidence of the clotting issue could be as high as 1 in 100,000 with a mortality rate in excess of 40% where it occurs. Which I think definitely merits further investigation.

Well I hope all the data gets shared and would be good to see all countries that have used the Az in the below 55's and the incidences of this in all countries
Then we may get an idea as surely we should be seeing this more in the uk or have we not vaccinated as many younger people , all though I know of several who have had it
Worried now as had mine 10 days ago and obviously will have to have another as well

I’m 34 and my husband is 42 and we had AZ about 40 days ago. Front line staff but hadn’t got round to having it done. We were ill for about three days with the typical symptoms. Arm pain lasted a bit longer. We wouldn’t have had it done on the same day if we had realised to be fair!

I’m hoping the second one won’t be as rough. Very happy and glad to have had it.

I’m not sure the data in the U.K. would back the 1 in 100,000 claim. Surely we would be seeing the same issue? I’m sure I read somewhere that they thought the blood clotting was happening because of the way the vaccination was given... but I can’t find the article.

Am blatantly placemarking!

@NoseinBook3

I’m 34 and my husband is 42 and we had AZ about 40 days ago. Front line staff but hadn’t got round to having it done. We were ill for about three days with the typical symptoms. Arm pain lasted a bit longer. We wouldn’t have had it done on the same day if we had realised to be fair!

I’m hoping the second one won’t be as rough. Very happy and glad to have had it.

I’m not sure the data in the U.K. would back the 1 in 100,000 claim. Surely we would be seeing the same issue? I’m sure I read somewhere that they thought the blood clotting was happening because of the way the vaccination was given... but I can’t find the article.

5 of 11 million in the UK, so much lower and even harder to confirm if there is any connection or why if there is: www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-regulator-confirms-that-people-should-continue-to-receive-the-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca.

Annoyingly also doesn't say if there is certainty on whether the 5 had had covid before or not. I presume there is no prescribed underlying condition or medication, because that would be easy to find out. I've been wondering as the clusters seem to be higher in certain countries whether there's something that's done differently. E.g greater use of over the counter aspirin for a headache that worsens low platelet count / emergency admissions more likely to give heparin in different scenarios.

Either way, low enough cases that I'm not personally concerned (AZ 14 days ago, female and way under 55).

I totally believe the for profit vaccine manufacturers are behind the Astrazeneca smear campaign
I would believe that if they could supply the doses needed now but they can't so it is weird.

NoseinBook3
www.berlingske.dk/nyheder/dansk-professor-forkert-vaccineteknik-kan-udloese-blodpropper

thread that discussed it

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4195480-Danish-professor-says-injection-technique-could-be-to-blame-for-clots

StarCat2020
they don't need to supply the doses. Countries put in and pay for extra orders.

Wait till Novovax gets approved. Efficacy rate is 93% in trials. It will probably get approved in April and there's a chance a lab in England will be one of the places producing it.

I feel lucky to be in the trial as I will have had 2 doses of a vaccine by the end of next month. Being in my 40s I might not have had a single dose .

I feel very lucky.
I hope it becomes available in the UK soon.