To think it is inevitable we will see more lockdowns?

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Vaccines will definitely reduce hospital admissions and deaths. But when do you think we will reach a point where we never go back to a lockdown?

@jessstan2 I'm fully aware that what may be 'thought provoking' for me won't be for others but I found it fascinating just how easy it was to contaminate a testing slide and then ignore the necessity to retest the samples rather than report them as inconclusive - lab operatives who were being pushed by 'management' who were being pushed by govt to get 70000 test done a week were eg: wiping 'gloopy samples' with their fingers to stop drips or allowing the machine to spread the gloop across a number of other samples.

The comments from not just workers but the experts watching were what astonished me. it made me wonder whether, if its happening in this lab, whether it was happening in others and therefore just how many of the recorded 4 million +infected people were given false positive results and how many were actually missed.

I get it blobby. A little while I sent off blood to a lab to be tested for covid antibodies at a cost of £50. It came back inconclusive. When I questioned they said they needed more blood yet I know I gave them almost two fingers-ull :-).

I was a bit disgusted with it all frankly and then wondered why I'd bothered.

I don't know and I am not making any predictions. I just take each day at a time.

@kellehi

More than half of mumsnet would be happy to be locked down forever...

As long as you still get your furlough pay, or you didn't lose your job and are working from home, or you work in the public sector and you are still on full pay for doing a much reduced workload than usual...

Of course this is a generalisation, many such as nurses are working very hard, but there are many, particularly in the civil service and local authorities twiddling their thumbs on full pay, but why wouldn't you be happy about that?

You can still get your shopping in with a once a week supermarket trip whilst all the staff there are slaving away wearing masks for a full eight hour shift, and you get to stay home and stay with the family, and get paid for it.

When the government ends the furlough payments, and everyone either has a choice of going back to work or having to get universal credit because their employer isn't able to keep paying them with taxpayer money anymore, that is when everyone here will stop supporting the lockdowns, if there is one.

But whilst the government is still printing the money, and SAGE's behavioural scientists are still turning the 'increase the sense of personal threat' screw, everyone will be lapping it up, and periodically come on here to say 'It's just another few months and then we'll be back to normal...

This.

@kellehi to be fair I swear I read around 80% of the posts on this thread in March 2020!!

I think there will be future lockdowns, when people object we will get the " do you not care about lives being lost/the elderly trotted out again. People have lost all sense of risk balance behaviour when even if an 85 year old contracts covid, they are still statistically more likely to die of cancer/heart disease or one of the other horrors awaiting all of us eventually.

@GoldenOmber

And it’s not a magic wand, there will still be outbreaks that need containing

But the vaccine rollout reduces the overall impact of those outbreaks, so we can deal with them like we deal with other outbreaks of other diseases. We still get measles and TB outbreaks. We don’t lock down the whole country to deal with them.

I didn’t say that there would be a full lockdown? don’t think there will be. But I think there will be increases on local and or national levels which will need managing again, either through minor or bigger restrictions But not a full lock down

@LeaveMyDamnJam a staggering amount of specialists and i include in that the overuse and diagnosis of mental health disorders and terminology from the great unqualified.

I think in 3 weeks we’ll be back in lockdown with relaxations reversed

Reason. The media

With the France lockdown the media will start playing the 2 weeks behind and when are you going to take action and lockdown. This’ll be repeated continually on BBC and Sky News until the Government are forced into it believing it’s what the people want.

I don't know but our council have just changed 2021 Christmas holidays in anticipation of another wave

@Jo99996

I think in 3 weeks we’ll be back in lockdown with relaxations reversed

Reason. The media

With the France lockdown the media will start playing the 2 weeks behind and when are you going to take action and lockdown. This’ll be repeated continually on BBC and Sky News until the Government are forced into it believing it’s what the people want.

That was my first thought on hearing about French schools

Given Macron has blamed the “British Variant” that we have just started to come out of a very long lockdown over I would say they are behind us!

Lockdown in 3 weeks when we are 25 out of 27 in terms of cases in the EU with 60% having had one vaccination if we are back in 3 weeks then something has gone badly wrong

@Jo99996

I think in 3 weeks we’ll be back in lockdown with relaxations reversed

Reason. The media

With the France lockdown the media will start playing the 2 weeks behind and when are you going to take action and lockdown. This’ll be repeated continually on BBC and Sky News until the Government are forced into it believing it’s what the people want.

I’m sorry. But this is just silly, no one is going to believe we are two weeks behind France, that was last year. 😂

I think that - barring new variants - we are done with major restrictions, and that once lifted they will stay gone.

But I don't rule out some SD in the autumn/winter (next winter virus season) - eg masks on public transport and in health care settings, and more perhaps some limits on large indoor events.

Because we need to find the case, and death, rate that is acceptable ie blends into the background. Something that JVT etc have said is the aim.

The need to guard against new variants might mean no non-essential international travel, certainly for this year.

But we can't do much if either another one arises here, or if vaccine (or disease) immunity wears off sooner than anticipated

@Jo99996

I think in 3 weeks we’ll be back in lockdown with relaxations reversed

Reason. The media

With the France lockdown the media will start playing the 2 weeks behind and when are you going to take action and lockdown. This’ll be repeated continually on BBC and Sky News until the Government are forced into it believing it’s what the people want.

No chance.

Ramping up scare factor imo.

Probably over winter if new variants are causing problems. It's a pain in the arse.

But if it means the NHS can continue to treat other illnesses then it needs to be done.

Kellehi given that 40% of admissions to the 13,000 beds available in Scotland in 2019 ( between 1st of April and 30th of June ) were for daycases, I imagine a lot were postponed in the same period of 2020.

@MarshaBradyo which is what the media are good at. They’ll get people to believe we need more lockdowns and school closures. This then builds momentum and hysteria eventually the government have to follow. This is what happened all last year with lockdowns, restrictions and things like masks

[quote Jo99996]@MarshaBradyo which is what the media are good at. They’ll get people to believe we need more lockdowns and school closures. This then builds momentum and hysteria eventually the government have to follow. This is what happened all last year with lockdowns, restrictions and things like masks[/quote]
No we’re on a different trajectory.

The data looks good. The conditions will be met, check it out

@Jo99996

I think in 3 weeks we’ll be back in lockdown with relaxations reversed

Reason. The media

With the France lockdown the media will start playing the 2 weeks behind and when are you going to take action and lockdown. This’ll be repeated continually on BBC and Sky News until the Government are forced into it believing it’s what the people want.

The old chestnut of we are 2 weeks behind France just doesn't cut it any more. We are now weeks ahead of France as we have vaccinated, and are continuing to vaccinate our population. France have not. With our progress on the vaccine I doubt people will understand the reason for another lockdown as either the vaccine is effective or it is not.

I also have to protest at the generalisation that the civil service is twiddling its thumbs. I can't speak for everywhere and we definitely have lazy buggers, but last year I did 15 hour days for weeks on end, trying to ensure the emergency services had enough money. None of my colleagues were slacking at home.

Same here, I've been doing 45 hour weeks for months. Although I agree, we also have lazy buggers and theCS is a good place for them to hide, they are a minority though.

@Quartz2208

Given Macron has blamed the “British Variant” that we have just started to come out of a very long lockdown over I would say they are behind us!

Lockdown in 3 weeks when we are 25 out of 27 in terms of cases in the EU with 60% having had one vaccination if we are back in 3 weeks then something has gone badly wrong

Trouble is that there are still some areas of the UK with relatively high infection levels, such as West Yorkshire, North East, Glasgow, Manchester.

People are looking at deaths and infections and seeing low figures, but that's not the case universally. Very low figures in most areas are masking the much higher figures in others.

In the areas of high rates, the planned relaxations will cause that to increase and then spread out. It's what exponential growth does. We saw last Autumn that regional tiers was a failure (inevitable as people need to move between tiers for work, schools, etc).

More than half of Mumsnet would be happy to be locked down forever

Even if this statement were partially true, it isn't up to them is it ?
We are already coming out of lockdown, yes it feels slow but its only 11 days until non essential shops open and we can sit outside a pub and enjoy a drink and meal.

KazzyHoward I wonder what the impact of the vaccination programme will be in those areas you have mentioned ? Do you know what the uptake is like ?

KazzyHoward nothing like France though that has been holding off from a lockdown for probably far too long. We are not behind them.

Corby is high and unchanging which is an interesting one - the rates just arent coming down there at all