To think it is inevitable we will see more lockdowns?

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Vaccines will definitely reduce hospital admissions and deaths. But when do you think we will reach a point where we never go back to a lockdown?

@pommedeterre

I think lockdown is a very blunt tool and should not be used again, I think having it still around a year from the start is crap enough. We have to come up with different ways of dealing with covid (its never going away!) going forward without smacking people into lockdown which is, at best, inhumane.

I supported it last year, the only way in the face of a new unknown disease that was killing people but enough is enough now.

@pommedeterre I completely agree with your post. I supported it initially but no longer, certainly not beyond June.

Things such as face coverings and restricted numbers in certain venues yes, but not the kind of restrictions we have now.

Yes I do. The schools are breeding grounds.
My son is facing his 7th self isolation as he sits next to a boy whose father doesn't believe in vaccinations. The father has tested positive.

My son already caught Covid at school, so hoping he won't get it again, but it might not stop another isolation.
If my other son (who's had three SIs) brings Covid home, then both of us parents(48 and 47) could catch it as we are unvaccinated still, despite being desperate to have it.

I think with schools you could see localised shutdowns of schools based on clusters but certainly shouldn’t be enough to close everything down

This is what worries me
DC in two different inner city secondaries where vaccine take up is poor.

There is nothing inevitable about it. Increasingly, I think the gov will have to look to other strategies as more than anything else, they can't afford to shut the whole country down repeatedly, for years.

The public mood is also shifting and I delighted that more people are questioning how effective lockdowns are and whether the huge costs they come with are worth it. Lots of people have been insulated from the worst of it - just wait until the gov stops furlough pay and see support for further lockdowns plummet further.

@middleager

Yes I do. The schools are breeding grounds. My son is facing his 7th self isolation as he sits next to a boy whose father doesn't believe in vaccinations. The father has tested positive.

My son already caught Covid at school, so hoping he won't get it again, but it might not stop another isolation.
If my other son (who's had three SIs) brings Covid home, then both of us parents(48 and 47) could catch it as we are unvaccinated still, despite being desperate to have it.

No children have been vaccinated

@sleepwouldbenice

Enough is enough......yet no proven credible alternative forthcoming.....

The vaccine rollout suit you?

I'm done complying. Last lockdown for me and my family whatever happens.

MN is full of people who have had a nice cushy time, on furlough, big houses and gardens and have had time to indulge their favourite hobby of being judgemental fucks.

I've watched friends descend into absolute despair trying to juggle home school work with shameful support (lack of), work, family and isolation. I've watched people lose their jobs, our local high street be decimated to a point I don't think it's ever going to be fixable. One of my kids has permanent damage to her vision caused by the fact the NHS is now the National Covid Service - I'm fucking done.

www.huntsabs.org.uk/hsa-exclusive-fox-hunters-own-footage-catches-them-breaking-lockdown/

Haven’t rtft

But I think it’s the last. Hope so

@pommedeterre

Vaccine rollout isn’t progressed enough yet though is it?
And it’s not a magic wand, there will still be outbreaks that need containing

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/essays/adam-wagner-covid-lockdown-law-democracy-essay

Instead of amending the bill, however, the government decided to impose lockdown through secondary legislation—regulations made by ministerial decree—under the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984. Although little known, it had a troubling history: a scene in Russell T Davies’s recent television show It’s a Sin shows a young Aids sufferer in the 1980s being detained under regulations made using the same law. By 2020, the Public Health Act had become a different, and potentially fiercer, beast

Jab everyone. Open up. Don't lock down again.

We're going to have to wing it, everyone.

We really cannot do this again.

There certainly shouldn’t be, yes people will still die but the aim was not to stop everyone dying it was to protect the NHS.

Public health expert on the news a couple of weeks ago said vaccines are now doing the job of lockdown. So on that basis we shouldn’t have lockdown. But then I am cynical as to how much difference it made anyway. Places that have done shag all to stop the spread compared to us haven’t had proportionately worse deaths.

Did anyone else watch the Panorama programme last night using secret filming of a testing lab? It was thought provoking and, to those of us who are cynical about the figures from the past year, explains a lot!

@Kokeshi123

Jab everyone. Open up. Don't lock down again.

We're going to have to wing it, everyone.

We really cannot do this again.

Not a very reassuring policy document, that one

@Kokeshi123

Jab everyone. Open up. Don't lock down again.

We're going to have to wing it, everyone.

We really cannot do this again.

This should be the new government slogan

And it’s not a magic wand, there will still be outbreaks that need containing

But the vaccine rollout reduces the overall impact of those outbreaks, so we can deal with them like we deal with other outbreaks of other diseases. We still get measles and TB outbreaks. We don’t lock down the whole country to deal with them.

@Kokeshi123

Jab everyone. Open up. Don't lock down again.

We're going to have to wing it, everyone.

We really cannot do this again.

This.

I do not feel there will be anymore lockdowns. Coronavirus has practically disappeared in the UK now and I feel things will only get better. Look at Israel.

@blobby10

Did anyone else watch the Panorama programme last night using secret filming of a testing lab? It was thought provoking and, to those of us who are cynical about the figures from the past year, explains a lot!

I didn't see, thought it would be boring and I've watched and heard enough about Covid-19 but, without going into too much detail, please do say what was thought provoking about this episode.

I fully supported the first lockdown, new virus, didn't know who it would effect and so on...

..a year later, we know it aims at the elderly and vulnerable, we know 9 in 10 covid deaths had underlying health problems, we know the majority will get mild symptoms, we now have vaccines which offer high protection against variants, the NHS is no where near to be over whelmed...

..there would no reason why we should ever be put into another lockdown or have any tiers past 1/2 after June.

I think there will be masks and venue restrictions on numbers this winter but not another full lockdown. The vaccines will do the job hopefully so we only get localised outbreaks that can be dealt with.

I also have to protest at the generalisation that the civil service is twiddling its thumbs. I can't speak for everywhere and we definitely have lazy buggers, but last year I did 15 hour days for weeks on end, trying to ensure the emergency services had enough money. None of my colleagues were slacking at home.