To think it is inevitable we will see more lockdowns?

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Vaccines will definitely reduce hospital admissions and deaths. But when do you think we will reach a point where we never go back to a lockdown?

[quote PersimmonTree]@Druidlookingidiot. Vaccinated with what, though?

I'm on lockdown for the foreseeable, doommongering is the only bit of fun I get. Might investigate paid trolling as a career. Come on, EU, sort your fucking vaccine programme out.[/quote]
A fucking vaccine that works, the stats are 100% showing that!

I don't actually buy this notion that people are happy to be locked down. I think many supported them when they were necessary but enjoy it no bloody way.
I personally hope and believe that vaccines are the way out.

This shite will go on as long as people allow it.

The media scare monger, more people want lockdowns.

With the the most vulnerable now vaccinated, and theres already talks of booster jabs for variants, theres no justification for another lockdown, any tiers come July.

People need to wake up and smell the bullshit.

@BogDiscuits

As a public sector worker can I say how horrible it is to read we are all apparently chillaxing at home on full pay.. for a start many of us have been going to work in the whole time and those public sector workers that are WFH where they can (in line with government advice applicable to everyone) are carrying a much higher than normal workload to deal with increased demand on several fronts and to implement the government’s response to Covid and Brexit and all the fall outs from that. I won’t add more on that but you are talking utter nonsense. Obviously lots of private and voluntary sector workers are doing the exact same and I have absolute respect for them too.

Exactly. A devastating pandemic and a wrecked economy and people don’t think there’s any kind of public sector infrastructure doing anything, just a bunch of people sitting around twiddling our thumbs.

Who on earth do they think has been running things like the furlough scheme and the massively expanded universal credit system, all the grants and recovery schemes, all the legislation and the vaccine procurement and planning and keeping the NHS equipped and on and on? Magical woodland creatures?

Lockdowns will end when we stop lapping them up. Politicians are delivering the illusion of safety as requested and will continue to take away rights indefinitely if people keep prioritising their perception of safety.

@kellehi they're all still at home waiting for whatever inpatient they still need, on ever increasing waiting lists

Stop testing =stop lockdowns

Oh and I'm a wfh civil service worker. Not central.
I'm drowning in work. Finances for children in care. Gone through the roof. Just me doing a big part of the job.
Full pay for my normal hours. Incurring extra expenses wfh. Not saving as commute was free
Stop tarring us all. It's insulting.

For those who say they wouldn't stick to a future lockdown how could you not?

I don't support them them and think we should be out by now but if they closed shops, pubs and schools again we'd have no choice but to be locked down.

Yes we could defy it by having a friend round or visiting relatives but it'd still be a very strictly controlled lifestyle.

It'd need everyone or at least a significant majority of managers to staff to be willing to ignore the rules, teachers and unions would have to all agree to work and all of the public would need to be happy to work, shop, send kids to school, eat out, book and go on holidays etc all against the government rules.

I think if they did announce another lockdown in Autumn there would be outrage from the comfort of our sofas with a few protests on the streets but on the whole the population would comply.

Totally depends on whether the vaccines can keep pace with any new variants, but let's stay positive as there is one reason to think they won't.

That said, this will all happen again at some point in the future, whether it is a covid variant or something totally different, so we should make sure we have better systems in place for when it does, so lockouts can hopefully be avoided next time

*no reason!

You are not being punished. You are being treated like an intelligent and caring adult

If my DH (who has COPD) told me i had to stay home all the time in case i brought some infection back to him he would be treating me like an intelligent and caring adult. Riggghhht.

*disclaimer he would never do this.

There will be further lockdowns because the majority of people seem to quite like them and will comply with them as they have been doing, overwhelming. Vaccine or not, there will be new variants etc. and people want to ‘feel safe’.

I used to think the impact on the economy was too big a price but clearly no one gives a shit and I now accept that I was wrong. The government seem to have found an unlimited supply of cash to continue to pay people and businesses to sit at home and do nothing. The majority of people seem happy to sacrifice their personal freedoms as long as that cash keeps coming. There will be no mass civil unrest or disobedience (or they would have happened already).

I predict more lockdowns in the future, the precedence has now been set and the measure of the general population as complaint and unquestioning, proved.

@LeaveMyDamnJam

The number of epidemiologists on MN is remarkable.

Yep And a reasonable number of conspiracy theorists it seems

Yes Vaccine passports are totes a conspiracy theory

@midgeswithnofingernails

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9411285/Row-Boris-Johnson-says-Britons-days-pandemic.html

Locks the country down then moans they have had enough days off and should get back to the office. So moans at people for doing what he made them do in the first place.

This is behaving exactly like an abuser. Not treating ppl like intelligent and caring adults.

@MercyBooth

Yes Vaccine passports are totes a conspiracy theory

Did I mention vaccine passports 🙄 There’s plenty of crap being spouted here But thanks for proving my point

@MercyBooth

You are not being punished. You are being treated like an intelligent and caring adult

If my DH (who has COPD) told me i had to stay home all the time in case i brought some infection back to him he would be treating me like an intelligent and caring adult. Riggghhht.

*disclaimer he would never do this.

Spot on, Mercy.

@kellehi where did you get 64,000 flu deaths from?

In light of what i posted on Sunday at 23.36 this is quite chilling.

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@Echobelly

I think there will likely be some kind of restrictions over this autumn/winter - and frankly until we're into at least May and summer may supruess it somewhat, things are fragile and vulnerable to new variants etc. I don't necessarily disagree with the way the gov is reopening things, but Johnson was foolish to say there'd be no going back to lockdowns, I think we have at least one more winter where we'll have to be extra careful.

This

You think the economy would survive and no jobs would be lost if we just let the virus run?

No nhs any more that's a few million jobs gone

Are you completely stupid? When people talk about the need to protect the NHS, they are referring to the concerns that there would be so many cases that the levels of beds and nurses would not be enough. They are not talking about the NHS being dismantled and nurses being fired! Why on earth would that happen?

In Sweden, they had few restrictions back when there was absolutely no vaccine. I am not recommending doing what they did--they had a lot of deaths. But no, it didn't cause any kind of societal collapse. Most of those who died were very elderly, so the effect on things like services and logistics was very small.

[quote Nameysamey]**@kellehi* @chaosrabbitland* But why? That’s what I don’t understand? Why would they want to keep us all locked up? The only thoughts are then going into so called conspiracy theories[/quote]
exactly , the theories that now seem to be rapidly coming true and those that believed in them arent getting laughed at quite so much anymore

It’s simple - everyone stop getting a PCR test when they have cold symptoms. They are bollocks.

What is key is hospital admissions and deaths.

I'm hoping not but it happened before. My son thinks we will and he is not a doom merchant. There will obviously be less cases because so many have been vaccinated so that is some comfort. I'm having my first vacc. tomorrow, son is awaiting an appointment for his second.

As soon as restrictions are lifted, some people go barmy and throw all caution to the wind. I was reading about folks in Wales making their way down to the coast in droves because it is 'happy Monday'. It was the same last year in the summer.

If we'd had a proper lockdown when it all kicked off we wouldn't be in this position now.

Lockdown doesn't bother me but I am sensitive to the needs of those who are experience hardship on many levels because of it. The least I can do is be very careful, stay at home, etc.