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To think it is inevitable we will see more lockdowns?

265 replies

NEVERQUIT3331 · 28/03/2021 18:05

inews.co.uk/news/politics/fourth-wave-of-covid-19-is-inevitable-because-vaccines-cant-prevent-all-deaths-chris-whitty-says-905347

Vaccines will definitely reduce hospital admissions and deaths. But when do you think we will reach a point where we never go back to a lockdown?

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PregnantGotCovid · 28/03/2021 19:55

*As long as you still get your furlough pay, or you didn't lose your job and are working from home, or you work in the public sector and you are still on full pay for doing a much reduced workload than usual...

Of course this is a generalisation, many such as nurses are working very hard, but there are many, particularly in the civil service and local authorities twiddling their thumbs on full pay, but why wouldn't you be happy about that?*

This is complete bollocks @kellehi

I work in the nhs (not covid front line). I have many friends and colleagues who work in many different parts of the public sector - nhs, local authorities, civil service, government agencies, charities.

Without fail, every single one of us has been working incredibly hard since the start of the pandemic. Running essentials services during a pandemic is incredibly challenging.

Then there's the extra challenge of managing with the extra staff sickness. Even though my work is not covid front line, we still see patients in person. Therefore loads of us (including me) caught it. So we've been often short staffed, meaning extra work for the rest of us.

PersimmonTree · 28/03/2021 19:56

Covid is just a warmer-upper. In a couple of years when there's a far worse virus, we'll be used to the lockdowns, so they'll gradually increase in severity and length.

diwrnachoflleyn · 28/03/2021 19:57

No, because people will stop complying with this nonsense.

diwrnachoflleyn · 28/03/2021 19:59

@Loopylobes

There must never ever be another lockdown - covid or no covid.

What do you propose should happen should it mutate and start killing people in the numbers it has previously or greater?

Obviously it's really not desirable but nobody can predict how this is going to play out. With luck, it will mutate to become less deadly, like lots of other viruses have but who knows?

Would anyone really advocate continuing as normal and allowing thousands to die for lack of medical resources?

Yes.
Shieldmaiden01 · 28/03/2021 19:59

I'm another one in total agreement with kellehi

What should have long been enough is never enough for so many and that is the most frightening part of the past year.

oblada · 28/03/2021 20:01

@Loopylobes

There must never ever be another lockdown - covid or no covid.

What do you propose should happen should it mutate and start killing people in the numbers it has previously or greater?

Obviously it's really not desirable but nobody can predict how this is going to play out. With luck, it will mutate to become less deadly, like lots of other viruses have but who knows?

Would anyone really advocate continuing as normal and allowing thousands to die for lack of medical resources?

Or learning from the various experiences of various countries and coming up with a more viable plan to deal with pandemics.
OnlyFoolsnMothers · 28/03/2021 20:02

@Loopylobes

There must never ever be another lockdown - covid or no covid.

What do you propose should happen should it mutate and start killing people in the numbers it has previously or greater?

Obviously it's really not desirable but nobody can predict how this is going to play out. With luck, it will mutate to become less deadly, like lots of other viruses have but who knows?

Would anyone really advocate continuing as normal and allowing thousands to die for lack of medical resources?

Yep! Sorry but the amount of damage lock downs are causing - if these vaccines don’t work fuck it we’re all going to die at some point! The vulnerable will have to stay inside the rest of us to live
Druidlookingidiot · 28/03/2021 20:02

Gosh the doom mongers on here. Shock

30 MILLION HAVE NOW BEEN VACCINATED.

StinkyWizzleteets · 28/03/2021 20:06

I think it’s really naive of us to believe come mid June this is all over and we’re back to some kind of normal. I reckon we’ll maybe have more localised lockdowns under a levels system but with so many vaccine refugees, covid deniers, rule breakers, new variants etc this is going to be hurting us for a long time to come.

FoxyTheFox · 28/03/2021 20:08

The vulnerable will have to stay inside the rest of us to live

Oh yeah because fuck the disabled, the elderly, and the clincally vulnerable. How dare they expect to be an integral part of the society in which they live Hmm

You do know vulnerable people work, have children, have lives...? Locking them away is not the solution.

PersimmonTree · 28/03/2021 20:10

@Druidlookingidiot. Vaccinated with what, though?

I'm on lockdown for the foreseeable, doommongering is the only bit of fun I get. Might investigate paid trolling as a career. Come on, EU, sort your fucking vaccine programme out.

Sadsiblingatsea · 28/03/2021 20:10

Elites and governing classes love lockdowns so they will definitely continue.

OohThatCat · 28/03/2021 20:11

Once everyone who wants a vaccination has had one. Beyond that we just need to deal with living with it as a society, we can’t destroy mental health, general health, the younger generations and the economy forever. I would not continue to comply with lockdowns indefinitely.

kellehi · 28/03/2021 20:11

I'm tired of this now, all I hear on here "Bbbut the rulez! You are not following the rulez... If you meet people indoors, you will spread Covid and granny will die. You're so selfish, stay home, it's just for a few more months..."

There are many activities that people like to participate in whilst they go about their daily lives that have an element of risk of death or serious injury. Even things as mundane as having a bath compared to having a shower.

The question is not whether activity X carries more of a risk of death than not doing activity X, but whether that risk is substantial, or that risk outweighs the benefits compared to the quality of life gained...

There have been months and months of this bullshit and yet nobody has provided anything quantitative on the numbers of infections that occur (for example) whilst meeting other people in private homes, however there is ample media on the following:

  • The NHS placing untested covid positive patients into care homes, resulting in a huge number of deaths
  • The NHS infecting huge numbers of patients shortly after being admitted to hospital for treatment of non-covid conditions...
  • A number of examples of factories, warehouses, etc which got in the media because someone superspread Covid amongst the workers

That is because there is nothing in the way of quantitative research or studies done to look at, except the media reporting of these. You would have expected the government to do cost/benefit studies on the cost to the quality of life versus benefit of staying home alone. But they didn't do any of those. They just assumed simplistically, as the lockdown fanatics do, that when you stay home, then you reduce the spread of covid...

Perhaps in an ideal world, where absolutely everyone doesn't go out, not for any reason whatsoever, living their life entirely within the confines of their registered address then it might work. But life isn't like that. It is not physically possible to stay home and not go out for the entire time.

People need to go out. They need to go to work/buy food in supermarkets. They need hospital treatment. They need to take the dog to the toilet. Many reasons...

Nahhhhh... lockdown fanatics don't care about those. Those are all 'allowed activities' under 'THE LAW'. Doing those things can't possibly be the substantial cause of the spread of covid. The spread of Covid (and the reasons why lockdowns don't work) must be because of bad people breaking 'the rulez'. Bad people who have spent the whole year alone and under house arrest, many living in single person households and desperate for some semblance of physical human contact that you can't get over FaceTime.

Lockdown fanatics are somehow desperate to prove that the major driver of Covid infections and deaths is all about people breaking 'the rulez'. Yep, millions of people have been told they should not meet other people indoors and we are expected to believe that when people meet indoors together, that is the major driver of Covid granny infections/deaths, and not the actions of the NHS which are shortly to be unravelled in an upcoming enquiry for all to see.

dividedwefall · 28/03/2021 20:12

@FoxyTheFox

The vulnerable will have to stay inside the rest of us to live

Oh yeah because fuck the disabled, the elderly, and the clincally vulnerable. How dare they expect to be an integral part of the society in which they live Hmm

You do know vulnerable people work, have children, have lives...? Locking them away is not the solution.

And locking everyone away is?
dividedwefall · 28/03/2021 20:15

Well said @kellehi. I would have thought such extreme measures and emergency laws would only be possible with real hard evidence and science. Instead we have been lied to, gaslighted, abused and restricted on flimsy evidence and fake statistics. It is really surreal to be honest. I still don't think I've fully grasped what has been allowed to happen, and what is still happening.

FoxyTheFox · 28/03/2021 20:15

You're not going to be locked away forever, you're not even locked away right now, it'll all be back to normal soon enough but casual disablism isn't going to make it happen any faster.

lioncitygirl · 28/03/2021 20:20

Nope. I think this is it.

kellehi · 28/03/2021 20:22

@FoxyTheFox

You're not going to be locked away forever, you're not even locked away right now, it'll all be back to normal soon enough but casual disablism isn't going to make it happen any faster.
You know, I swear I read exactly this in March 2020...
Spillanelle · 28/03/2021 20:32

To my mind there are ultimately two scenarios:

  • the vaccines work (offer protection and reduce transmission) in which case there is no need for further lockdowns
  • the vaccines don’t work as expected (offer insufficient protection/transmission reduction and so there is a risk of overwhelming the NHS again)

Based on what we know about vaccines generally, and initial data on covid vaccines, scenario 1 is far more likely. We can’t really know for certain, but I fail to understand why so many people are utterly convinced that we’ll need lockdowns and restrictions for years to come.

I certainly won’t accept further lockdowns just to avoid the potential for those who are unvaccinated catching it (I’m one of those who won’t be able to receive the vaccine and I certainly don’t expect people to continue to live a half life to protect me)

BogDiscuits · 28/03/2021 20:33

As a public sector worker can I say how horrible it is to read we are all apparently chillaxing at home on full pay.. for a start many of us have been going to work in the whole time and those public sector workers that are WFH where they can (in line with government advice applicable to everyone) are carrying a much higher than normal workload to deal with increased demand on several fronts and to implement the government’s response to Covid and Brexit and all the fall outs from that. I won’t add more on that but you are talking utter nonsense. Obviously lots of private and voluntary sector workers are doing the exact same and I have absolute respect for them too.

KimMumsnet · 28/03/2021 20:33

Evening, all. We're moving this thread to the Coronavirus topic now.

kellehi · 28/03/2021 20:34

[quote MercyBooth]@kellehi

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4201561-to-be-sick-of-the-gaslighting-and-rewriting-of-history-over-Christmas[/quote]
Thanks, will check it out...