so scared of a 3rd wave

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"Boris Johnson has warned the effects of a third wave of coronavirus will "wash up on our shores" from Europe.
The PM said the UK should be "under no illusion" we will "feel effects" of growing cases on the continent."

anyone else worried that the planned out of lockdown now won't happen?

I really can't believe how many thought this magical vaccine was going to fix everything .. how do people think these new variants come about? A vaccinated person can still catch covid, the covid then evolves mutates, vaccine no longer works, covid is given the name from where it came from.. have a look if you can find a new strain from somewhere not vaccinated?
We will never catch up with the virus mutating and the risk of creating some super virus is massive!! Just like the antibiotic resistance super bugs you can easily catch in hospitals but hey ho let's just keeping jabbing and hoping for the best when we know most people recover from the virus with no vaccine!!! .. blows my mind 🤯🤯

@Vynalbob

Don't think it will happen but I'm seeing more and more groups of kids hanging around after school and 'shoppers' not using masks (worse ever today fit young couple 'in looks' mask less... highly unlikely to be both exempt ... counted 7... everyone stopped for a minutes silence to pay respect...almost wanting another wave.

How do you know they were 'fit'?

@cyclingmad

We should move to the Australian model borders closed so we can live normally again. And borders shut doesn't mean cannot leave it just means for exceptional circumstances actually I think that's what this new law that came in does effectively.

And good thing too, I can go another yr without going abroad but I cannot do any more time locked up with nothing to do or go or see family. I want gyms opens, I want to go swimming and get my hair cut. I want to go chill with my friends and family, maybe go eat out.

I live in Australia and I'm not sure its model would work for the UK. Australia is a federation, so states and territories could and did close their borders to other states and territories and there was nothing central government could do about it; the power is devolved. It's an important, probably the most significant aspect of how the infection rates were brought down.

Roads were closed and policed, by the army at one point in Victoria.
States re-opened to each other as the infection rates fell. People could not get back into their own state at one point, queuing up at the border before being allowed in as they satisfied criteria for entry.

International flights were not stopped but very much controlled, though quarantine was patchy.

I can't see a mechanism for that kind of restriction of movement within the UK, and it, or a version of it would likely be needed in addition to managing external borders.

I would be surprised if the government would consider yet another lockdown as this risks civil unrest.
It's already bubbling over in some of our cities and it would be unwise to stoke this up further.

We will never catch up with the virus mutating and the risk of creating some super virus is massive!! Just like the antibiotic resistance super bugs you can easily catch in hospitals but hey ho let's just keeping jabbing and hoping for the best when we know most people recover from the virus with no vaccine!!! .. blows my mind

We may never catch up totally, but this simply means that we have the vaccine every year or two like for the flu.

And in years and years of vaccines for many diseases, while some mutate so that the current vaccines are ineffective and must be tweaked, no 'superviruses' have developed in response to vaccines. Unlike antibiotics, vaccines don't attack the bugs directly: they stimulate the human body to produce its own antibodies to them; so it's a very different situation.

And if an infection is highly contagious, then it will kill or debilitate lots of people without a vaccine to reduce its spread, even if a relatively small proportion of those who catch it die or are debilitated long term. Most people recovered from polio. Most people recover from TB infection (if they don't also have HIV). But because these illnesses are/were so contagious and affected so many people, they still killed or disabled lots of people.

I thought we'd already had the third wave but admit to not being up to date with these things.

Well, I am having my first dose of vacc next week. That's just me though. I hope everyone else manages to be vaccinated soon.

fully aware degree educated individual in a professional job here- we are JUST over 50% vaccinated and looking at a slow down. lots hold off implying that most people are vaccinated and its all safe until we are a bit further past the half way point!

You said it’s not a majority. It is. Over 50% is a majority.

I'm a tube user. A key worker. Have been commuting throughout lockdown. Using the tube at the moment, I can see another lockdown coming as soon as things open up. It's crazy busy. All seats taken, people crowded together standing. So busy. I'm not eligible for a vaccine yet, and I'm raging that I'm so likely to get it and spread it now.

Not a very big majority.

I thought there was about three weeks between the two jabs but I have my first one next week and the next one three months later.

I don't go out anyway but was thinking I might soon. Oh well.

@cyclingmad

We should move to the Australian model borders closed so we can live normally again. And borders shut doesn't mean cannot leave it just means for exceptional circumstances actually I think that's what this new law that came in does effectively.

And good thing too, I can go another yr without going abroad but I cannot do any more time locked up with nothing to do or go or see family. I want gyms opens, I want to go swimming and get my hair cut. I want to go chill with my friends and family, maybe go eat out.

I agree. The reasons given for not doing this originally was the economy. I think we can all agree 2-3 lockdowns have thorough screwed our economy in the UK anyway and more lockdowns will make this worse. Aus/NZ internal economy by comparison not so badly hit. If people in the UK cannot see their families who are also in the UK, it is rather daft to then plead the case for people in the UK not to see their families outside the UK (the first group is much larger than the second). It is possible. Other countries do it also. It doesn't have to be 100% perfect. Short lockdowns of a week or two are nothing like our months and months of lockdowns. Apparently Canada have also closed borders, only a couple of airports open, all arrivals quarantine in hotels. My town has almost no Covid now so why undo the results of the past 2-3 hellish months and introduce new variants.

I think it is quite realistic, to be warned about more waves of the virus that may come our way. Other countries who thought that things were greatly improving, are now having to deal with the virus starting to spread again. Nothing is lock tight in the UK, despite all the checks being made all over, There are trucks and lorries going back and forth to France and other places, and people flying to different places, But you never know where and how, the virus gets here in the UK. so it's good to be warned,

Sorry NRTT so don’t know whether anyone has shared this tweet.

twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1374092822350020617?s=21

We have to accept the fact that CV19 is here to stay

Only difference the jab will make is that if you get CV19, you will feel rough but you stand a good chance of not ending up in hospital

We will probably get booster jabs like the annual flu jab

There will be numbers crunched and an acceptable number of deaths due to CV19 will be given out, just like flu

Brutal way of looking at it and I stand to be corrected if I am proven wrong

@caspersmagicaljourney

I would be surprised if the government would consider yet another lockdown as this risks civil unrest. It's already bubbling over in some of our cities and it would be unwise to stoke this up further.

Is this really true? People who don't want to follow the rules just don't rather than go rioting.

@user1488446288

I really can't believe how many thought this magical vaccine was going to fix everything .. how do people think these new variants come about? A vaccinated person can still catch covid, the covid then evolves mutates, vaccine no longer works, covid is given the name from where it came from.. have a look if you can find a new strain from somewhere not vaccinated? We will never catch up with the virus mutating and the risk of creating some super virus is massive!! Just like the antibiotic resistance super bugs you can easily catch in hospitals but hey ho let's just keeping jabbing and hoping for the best when we know most people recover from the virus with no vaccine!!! .. blows my mind 🤯🤯

What would you do?

Gwen "People who don't want to follow the rules just don't rather than go rioting"

Two people left my block of flats this week because they can't pay their rent. Having lost their job and home, what have they got to lose by rioting?

Perhaps a night in a cell means free hot food? I don't know.

This is about way more than the rules. The economic future terrifies many of us.

Only difference the jab will make is that if you get CV19, you will feel rough but you stand a good chance of not ending up in hospital

That’s a pretty big difference...

We’ve had pandemics before that haven’t had a quarter of the impact covid has. My only real memory of the swine flu one (or was it bird flu... can’t remember) was that the statutory sick period was raised from seven to fourteen days. If memory serves rightly there was plenty of bitching about the economy then too; that’s a dream scenario globally right now but actually looking achievable with widespread testing, cautious restrictions and vaccinations.

Really recommend these two threads: twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1374092822350020617

twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1373543902775541760

@TheOneWithTheBigNose

fully aware degree educated individual in a professional job here- we are JUST over 50% vaccinated and looking at a slow down. lots hold off implying that most people are vaccinated and its all safe until we are a bit further past the half way point!

You said it’s not a majority. It is. Over 50% is a majority.

It’s not brexit - we need an actual majority

[quote mswales]Really recommend these two threads: twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1374092822350020617

twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1373543902775541760[/quote]
Wait
A member of Independent SAGE who doesn't think a third wave is coming?

That IS a twist.

I’m only scared of a government having ongoing power to continue to erode my human rights. I’m not afraid of COVID, no.

Feel like I’m on a bloody rollercoaster, sick of broken promises & nonsensical rules. I want to get off! I want my freedom.

Just a thought, because I no longer know what to think, but is the statement of a third wave will come being used so in a month's time, when there hasn't been another wave, Boris and Co can say look at what vaccinating has done, it has saved us...firstly to encourage more vaccinating across Europe and the world but also to make up for the mess that Boris made of going into lockdown originally and then with schools going back and then closing this time round?

I came across this just now. It is from Wales but applies to all of us in the UK I think:

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/third-wave-covid-uk-likely-20234313

Try to be vaccinated before July and hope no new variants crop up.

This thread has got to be up there with one of the most depressing on mumsnet. It’s so sad.