so scared of a 3rd wave

[Thedarksideofthemoon30]

"Boris Johnson has warned the effects of a third wave of coronavirus will "wash up on our shores" from Europe.
The PM said the UK should be "under no illusion" we will "feel effects" of growing cases on the continent."

anyone else worried that the planned out of lockdown now won't happen?

I fear they are ramping up the fear yet again..or trying to. I think patience is running very thin now though..

Yet 3 days ago he said this

Getting the jab is the best thing we can do to get back to the lives we miss so much

So he was either lying then or he is lying now. Either the vaccination will minimize the risk of a 3rd wave or it won't. If it doesn't then what is the point of it? If it does then why is he peddling doom?

It's got to the point where he sounds like he's making it up as he goes along.

I think Mr Johnson's remarks were more aimed at his backbenchers who want to end restrictions sooner, and to an extent the EU countries who have been slow to vaccinate.

All these "new" variants will "rip through schools " and the "flocked beaches " in the warmer weather and we're back into lockdown yet again because these super spreader children aren't vaccinated and people are "selfish " for wanting a day at the seaside, I mean you can see coming a mile off can't you, and the most scary thing is people will fall for it again and happily accept it

Keeping the borders as closed as possible is the best thing we can do. Ref Australia and New Zealand.

Sorry no foreign trips.my family are in England, as am I, and I haven't seen them in well over a year either because they are well beyond day trip.

We very may well see an increase in cases but deaths and hospitalizations should remain and a very low level... so we will feel the effects but it will be no way near as deadly.

@Delatron

They can keep shops and businesses closed (and hammer the economy even more in the process) but he’s going to have a hard time telling people who are fully vaccinated that they still can’t see their families a year down the line. People won’t comply. So he’ll hammer the economy for no reason.

It's not just the vaccinated, the government will have a hard time getting young, healthy people who have given up a year of education, socialising, enjoying all the normal experiences of being young, to comply for much longer.

And why should they? When they can't be accused of 'killing granny' any longer, given granny had her vaccination months ago. There's only so long that people can be expected to do this for. I think time is nearly up.

Also I'm sure it's just a scarier way of saying... please still to the rules until all adults are vaccinated. Something scary always comes out just as people are starting to let their guards down.

The concern seems to be about importing the SA variant which is more prevalent on the continent the vaccine is not very effective against this. A reminder that this is why we need greater international co operation and not vaccine wars. The I'm all right Jack strategy will come back to bite us big time.

Or again it could be gearing us up to ban all holidays this summer...feeling the effects doesn't mean we get the wave... could mean a ban on all travel because of their third wave.... judging by all the ministers comments lately it does seem they are gearing up to ban travel, using Europe's third wave as the reason.

Yes I agree @StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind the young particularly have given up enough. The ‘don’t kill granny’ argument has gone so what will it be? He has nothing!
People won’t listen.

www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-comments-reported-in-the-media-from-boris-johnson-about-a-third-wave-in-europe/

There'll most likely be a third wave in the autumn, but with vaccinations across the whole population again, it shouldn't be significantly worse than the usual range of the respiritory illness season anyway. It will be interesting when all the data is processed how much excess death there has been this winter and balanced through the surrounding seasons given the impact on other seasonal killers such as flu and norovirus.

Rates did not soar amongst and unpopulated country with international travel and looser restrictions last summer. There is little substantial reason to seriously fear this for this summer and by then the adult population will be vacinated and much of it twice.

The government has cried wolf so many times now, especially if there's a nice weather forecast or occasion for the weekend. Unless the actual data is trending upwards significantly, it's best to assume it's yet more scaremongering to keep us nice and compliant.

@Delatron I'm hopeful as well, given the change in tone on Mumsnet in the last few months, even on here there are far more posters who are saying they won't be following the rules much longer.

Life actually has to be worth living for those that are alive, we can't go on just existing.

I was wondering exactly the same and yes, I also predict a new 'variant of concern' will spring up just before the Easter holidays.

I am starting to get angry now.

Boris keeps saying "I'm sorry to say", as though we're definitely all heading for doom and gloom again and we're barely starting to emerge from it!

I heard some gov scientist say quite proudly a few weeks ago that even once you've had both vaccines and have waited x amount of time for max immunity to take effect, that you're still "NOT ALLOWED" to hug and kiss your loved ones, because vaccines aren't 100% effective. Not allowed?! What? Ever?! So because no vaccine is 100% effective, we just accept that we can never hug our loved ones again?

Absolute madness.

I've been understanding and compliant until now, but I'm absolutely reaching my limit.

www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/three-waves.htm

Following the Spanish flu?...

What's not to understand.

We are highly interconnected with Europe.

A population with a high level of infection AND a reasonable number vaccinated, provides perfect breeding grounds for new variants - if that happens in Brazil, it's FAR easier for us to keep it out than if it happens in France.

Our rosiest future is one in which the whole of Europe beats back the virus with similar success to SE Asia.

It also depends whether people will wait for their second vaccine before doing anything. Hopefully he's just using this to soften the blow that we really can't go on holiday abroad and we may have slightly less of a hit (hopefully!)

I think it's likely that we will have restrictions on foreign travel for longer than originally stated, given the sitaution in Europe, and that he's trying to ensure people are aware of this and don't book holiday etc.

There is still a lot to be vaccinated. Then look at all the people champing at the bit wanting to go abroad on holiday. Just because you are vaccinated doesn’t stop transmission, it may reduce it, but not stop it

So they could bring it back with them, and off we go again

And what happens if those under 50 decide not to get vaccinated?

As above, it's a knuckle rap for noisy and impatient back benchers.

[quote StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind]@Delatron I'm hopeful as well, given the change in tone on Mumsnet in the last few months, even on here there are far more posters who are saying they won't be following the rules much longer.

Life actually has to be worth living for those that are alive, we can't go on just existing. [/quote]
If we keep borders closed we may be able to live life properly in the UK.

People just have to face the fact that once a century there is a massive blooming plague and everything is shit for a few years. It doesn't matter how much we hate it or how angry we get, it's happened. You can't wish it all away because it's suddenly 21st June.

We’ve got to get control of the number of cases (I don’t think 5000 new per day is controlled) and we also have to control Covid coming into the country. Until then, we will have a shitty existence.

@Delatron

He needs to be very careful with his ‘narrative’ people are on their knees, lost businesses, homes, mental health in tatters. If vaccinating at least 50% of your population has no impact then what’s the point?

He’s struggling to justify lockdown going on for another month or two due to low cases and high vaccinations. They’re ramping up the fear message yet again. I predicted a scary new variant will be discovered just before Easter.

I agree with you on this.

@palacegirl77, there was no vaccine, so can we really compare?