3rd wave in Europe - do you think we've done enough?

[Laytwir024]

The EU are so far behind on their vaccine programme and there is a bigger anti-vax belief system there. Do you think we've done enough to avoid a third wave?

I’m just puzzled by people already planning their European beach holidays when places like France and Italy are going back into lockdown.

I miss holidays too. Haven’t been out of my city apart from short day trips since February last year. I’m off on holiday in my own country in May. It’s not abroad but it will have to do for now,

I think there will be another wave in winter but that deaths will be significantly reduced especially if the boosters are ready for the variants which is possible and if the vaccination programme keeps up the pace.

I'm getting mine now, turned down one appointment.
People were relying on me getting it and the pressure was too great.
So I let them believe i'd had it.
Got another letter today and having it done.

Yes a lot of people have been vaccinated but a lot of people haven't. It's glib to say that these are "just" the young, they can still get very ill, not to mention long covid. So I think it's unfair to lift restrictions and travel etc until everyone has been offered the jab.

I think we are further ahead with the ‘waves’ now. I’m sure there will still be some bumps in the road but for now I am cautiously optimistic

@Doomsdayiscoming

By done enough? I presume you mean “we had this new variant that we identified as becoming dominant in late November (or earlier) and we decided to have Christmas anyway, because that’s what Jesus would have wanted, and then let it rip through the country”.

France’s death per million people is far lower than the U.K.

And even with their current wave, it will stay that way.

I’m not quite sure what point you are making, but France’s case rate per million is now higher that the UK and continuing to diverge. “Done enough” maybe implies political decision making like lockdowns, or christmas relaxations etc which can effect cases. How this translates into death rates reflects the health care system, population health and probably how data is recorded.

Hmmm I’m not sure what point I am making now either. . Except France ain’t looking that great any more compared to the UK

@Poppystars

I expect international travel will be important for the Government, then another lockdown and no education for the children due to that, if our vaccines do not work. The news said that travel to Greece was a big cause of rise in cases, yet current plans are to allow travel and therefore businesses and education mat suffer due to rights of people to travel.

No! There must never EVER be another lockdown!!

I really hope hope we have done enough

That said I currently have covid. I'm on day 11 and I've been vaccinated. I know the vaccine doesn't prevent catching it and it minimises severity but this has been no walk in the park for me.
I've not been admitted to hospital no... but this is the worst I've ever felt. I had swine flu too and that was pretty shit.
I sincerely hope that we don't have loads of people feeling like I have come autumn/winter as everything will grind to a halt anyway.

Sorry to hear that carrot

When did you get your vaccine?

I think we'll have another wave, unfortunately. As ever, Boris has been so focused on remaining popular that he's thrown the doors open and, predictably, as soon as the kids went back the parks/streets/town centres etc were full again and people are just cracking on as if everything is back to normal.

Now the vaccination programme has slowed and the under 50's will be waiting a while, by the looks of things - just in time for further restriction easing and holidays to start happening and, well, I've just got no faith in this ending the way we want it to to any time soon.

@ktp100

I think we'll have another wave, unfortunately. As ever, Boris has been so focused on remaining popular that he's thrown the doors open and, predictably, as soon as the kids went back the parks/streets/town centres etc were full again and people are just cracking on as if everything is back to normal.

Now the vaccination programme has slowed and the under 50's will be waiting a while, by the looks of things - just in time for further restriction easing and holidays to start happening and, well, I've just got no faith in this ending the way we want it to to any time soon.

Stop scaremongering.

I had my vaccine beginning of January was due my second one just after I tested positive.

Well this just seems like a bit of a crazy thread. If I'm happy to take the contraceptive pill I'm sure as hell taking the vaccine. And yes I want to see my family overseas, but I'll spend another year not seeing them. Don't quite frankly care about any of the cases or deaths any more. Take me now, too damn bored anyway.

@Waxonwaxoff0

Something I don't understand - the South Africa wave obviously originated in South Africa, so why aren't their cases high if it is resistant to immunity? They are out of lockdown and their cases are still low.

Their recorded cases aren't as high in large part because they don't test as much as the UK (the UK has processed 10 times as many tests per head of population as South Africa). Their death rate is lower because they have way fewer older people (~5% of their population is over 65 compared with ~18% of the UK's) and fewer people with underlying health conditions that make them particularly vulnerable.

Does anyone else find it strange why france germany are not ramping up the vaccine they have already in their hands, is politics playing a part here ? Are they putting their people at risk because oxford discovered a
Vaccine and now we are in brexit they dont want anything associated with the u.k. .surely its just me being paranoid, when they could offer the supplies they dont want to poor people of the world so why arent they.

From the Guardian 'Trial data from the Janssen and Novavax vaccines showed efficacy in South Africa was up to 60% against the variant, substantially lower than against the original virus.'
Still looking good to me tbh!

Sorry just realised you already answered my dose question.

I have slapped myself on your behalf.

Stop scaremongering
It isn't scaremongering if you are referring to another wave.

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@XingMing

Errr... I think the UK's third wave is the one that has us currently locked down. Is it me or you who can't count?

"Herd immunity... "

XingMing:

Hello JOhnson.

No, I don't think he'd bother to read/posthere. That utter and total bastard was one of those promoting "herd immunity" when CV first cropped up. What do you think "herd immunity" actually means? Certainly not what he was referrring to.

Zero points for googling Herd Immunity before answering. He made a complete tit of himself. You too, apparently.

Kittens you have been saying the same sort of thing on every covid thread for about a year now! There will be another lockdown if needed (lets hope not). Of course there will be if required, just as there has been every other time you said it wouldnt/couldnt happen. And you will hate it like we all will, but we will survive.

@Cacadoo

Does anyone else find it strange why france germany are not ramping up the vaccine they have already in their hands, is politics playing a part here ? Are they putting their people at risk because oxford discovered a Vaccine and now we are in brexit they dont want anything associated with the u.k. .surely its just me being paranoid, when they could offer the supplies they dont want to poor people of the world so why arent they.

If you're talking about the AstraZeneca vaccine - lots of countries who aren't in Europe haven't approved it.

In the US, for instance, they have millions of doses stock piled waiting for approval but are reluctant to approve because of inconsistencies in the information the company has supplied so far and because the US trial is still ongoing. I believe Oxford worked closely with the UK government and prioritised meeting the UK's standards for approval, but that may mean they have some legwork to do to satisfy other countries.

@Cacadoo
And here's an article explaining the issues other countries are waiting on (I'm not clear what AstraZeneca did to satisfy the UK government, though possibly it was us who were playing politics):
www.businessinsider.com/why-us-hasnt-authorized-astrazeneca-shot-when-that-may-change-2021-3

All will be fine. A small hiccup here and there but fine

Op

As I understand it, the U.K. has already had its third wave - post Christmas, Kent variant, lockdown, schools closed, big spike in death rates etc? That was the U.K. third wave.

That variant has been slower to take hold here in France. So we’ve wobbled along with high infection rates but no big spike in deaths post Christmas etc, and schools have stayed open since August. In the last few weeks the variant has gained the upper hand and as a result the balance has tipped. Schools are still open, but 16 départements have gone into a 4-week lockdown - shops closed, not allowed to leave home without a good reason etc. This is our 3rd wave.

I hope the U.K. vaccine programme is enough to avoid yet more lockdowns. All my family are there.

All this toxic nationalism is so depressing and childish. France (Eu) and the U.K. are apples and oranges in so many ways - why do we keep comparing? France is part of the EU, ultra cautious, high levels of medical and political scepticism, completely different medical system, completely different legal system, etc etc. The U.K. is out if the EU, pragmatic / risk taking, has the NHS which is widely trusted, as are vaccines etc. Of course they are dealing with things differently from each other! Rant over.

I agree @ miim the nationalism , gloating and some of the comments on mumsnet about the eu has been shocking and truly depressing.