Vaccine supply about to significantly reduce

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Looks like Europe may have got their way

@EerieSilence india have not done the same they are not threatening to block contracted vaccines which eu are
So very different
Its all about contracts that each country has and the eu have not technically exported anything to the uk , private companies have as per the contracts signed

@EerieSilence we reduced out aid budget never scrapped it , and its still pretty high
Uk donation to covax also high
But its not interfering with the eu when its about them threatening to potentially ban contracted vaccine supplies , if that wasn't said nothing would be being said about the eu in regards to this , but that statement it threat directly affects the uk

EU still trying to control the UK.

Sorry but doesn't it seem convenient that the EU are supposedly doing all this just before the May council elections??

The cynic in me says that this is all being put out there for votes.

@PrincessNutNuts

The "one jab" old ladies round my way just ride the bus to socialise. So they're not congregating together - but they are. But not breaking any rules.

They have flasks and sandwiches and bus passes and they get off for a wee every couple of hours and just get back on the next one.

This made me smile . That poor old lady being hounded by covid police, for having a cup of tea in her communal gardens should have caught the bus with a flask and avoided persecution.

Uk donation to covax also high

What has actually been donated?

Promised yes, but can’t find any actual donations yet

@VaVaGloom no idea what the salary of housekeeping staff has got to do with taking credit for the vaccine rollout, but sure. Though if you do want to talk about cleaning, my experience of hospitals is that they’re not the cleanest of places.

[quote EerieSilence]@CuriousaboutSamphire not true. There's enough of "the EU are bullying us" on this thread even though India just did the same.
I really don't get the obsession with the EU in the UK right now. You just keep looking back instead of focusing on future. You approve of your own country's misdeeds wholeheartedly (didn't the UK cancel most of their overseas help while blaming the EU for not supplying the Third World with vaccines, breaking the agreement on Northern Ireland while making a huge scandal out of the EU's very short-termed brain fart which didn't live to see the next day), browse the Daily Fail which has become the most favourite newspaper on Mumsnet from the look of the things, at least in the post-Brexit world for anything that the EU is doing to the poor UK or even what they do and it doesn't involve the UK to discuss it on Mumsnet. Why? Don't you have your own country to take care of? Your own issues? Why still deal with the issues of a community you don't belong to anymore?[/quote]
@EerieSilence That's not true that the whole of the UK think like that. Only half the country voted to leave the EU. More Londoners voted to stay than to leave. In the last election only 43% voted for the Get Brexit Done (Tory) party. Many voted for a party that wanted to cancel Brexit or redo the referendum but we have a first past the post voting system so the brexiters got their way. It's not true that we all think like that and read crap newspapers even if many do.

My mother is going to my brother's flat for his birthday, for a little party now that he is vaccinated and she is vaccinated. He's picking her up the night before as he lives 150 miles away and she doesn't drive.
My SIL and nephew will be there too. They have both been vaccinated.

I will see my mother outside, just cant see her on her birthday again.

People really are extraordinary. The vaccine isn’t a magic bullet that means you get to ignore all the social distancing rules and stay at home rules. No wonder cases go up. And then everyone blames schools!

@Dongdingdong It was in response to your comment ”You can’t go 10 minutes without hearing how “wonderful” our NHS is* a rather disparaging comment about the NHS in general, let alone their tremendous achievement in delivering the vaccines.

My comment was about the lack of Government support for NHS staff at the coalface. people who are responsible for keeping hospitals clean, essential in cross infection control. Under 20k a year for people who’ve worked there over 6 years, some working there 20+ years. Or the Government who say they can’t afford more than a 1% payrise for nurses - who have been working under even more pressure this year - but can increase the budget on nuclear warheads.

Maybe the hospitals would be cleaner if the Gov increased their budget and the salaries for that essential service?

@VaVaGloom and my point was, the NHS has (quite rightly) had a huge amount of credit for the vaccine rollout. Agree to some extent about the pay rise but on the other hand, many people have lost their jobs altogether as a result of the pandemic. I’m sure those people would love to have a job right now, let alone a pay rise.

Also, how would increasing the salaries of housekeeping staff make hospitals cleaner?

@LittleBearPad the OPs comment you’ve highlighted suggests a mother meeting with one family indoors- it is possible they are ‘bubbled’ due to a single person household?

Although undoubtedly there will be a lot more people doing what they want socially because they personally feel safe once vaccinated. ‘We are all in it together’ will go out the window for many people then.

[quote VaVaGloom]@LittleBearPad the OPs comment you’ve highlighted suggests a mother meeting with one family indoors- it is possible they are ‘bubbled’ due to a single person household?

Although undoubtedly there will be a lot more people doing what they want socially because they personally feel safe once vaccinated. ‘We are all in it together’ will go out the window for many people then.[/quote]
With other family too?

I’m willing to bet in some areas this not caring about restrictions is more prevalent and goes together with higher cases in schools

@Dongdingdong so you think NHS staff should be grateful to have a job let alone a 1% payrise. I’m sure they feel incredibly valued. Let’s give them a clap and a medal to remind them we appreciate all they have done for the country during the pandemic.

Also, how would increasing the salaries of housekeeping staff make hospitals cleaner?

Hmmm, let’s think? Are people known to put in more effort for better reward? Do jobs attract a wider recruitment pool when they are not very low wages for anti-social hours? Cleaner hospitals lead to less cross infections - not only Covid - and are therefore more cost effective by people needing beds for less time. It’s something we should be striving for, and investing in, as it’s a better outcome for patients and staff. Sometimes investment is needed from the bottom up.

@ivykaty44

Uk donation to covax also high

What has actually been donated?

Promised yes, but can’t find any actual donations yet

Which countries specifically do you think we should be donating to as a priority?

From where I’m sitting the countries needing vaccinations (judged by cases and fatalities) are well placed to sort out their own issues and most delays are due to finite manufacturing capabilities resulting in political squabbling but will be resolved with time. Brazil may be the exception but that’s not because they don’t have the means it’s because they’ve got a twat in charge. Donations won’t solve mismanagement.

I don’t think you can compare the EU with India’s response.

India has communicated well whereas the Commission has acted like a toddler throwing their toys out the pram. Then when that didn’t work they smeared AZ, and when that didn’t work they then used threats and intimidation.

I often wonder what would have happened if they had just picked up the phone and had a frank conversation with BJ. I think they would have received a different response.

I don’t think the two are comparable.

I’m willing to bet in some areas this not caring about restrictions is more prevalent and goes together with higher cases in schools

I'd be inclined to agree and it makes it much harder to see what the impact of schools reopening to all pupils is. And therefore puts them more at risk of closing again if rates go up due to other behaviours which aren't supposed to be going on.

[quote VaVaGloom]@LittleBearPad the OPs comment you’ve highlighted suggests a mother meeting with one family indoors- it is possible they are ‘bubbled’ due to a single person household?

Although undoubtedly there will be a lot more people doing what they want socially because they personally feel safe once vaccinated. ‘We are all in it together’ will go out the window for many people then.[/quote]
Yes, we re all in it together was great when it suited and we all needed to stay in to protect the NHS and do our bit to stop the spread. Young people condemned for complaining and parents condemned for worrying about their children's mental health and education when missing so much school. We must protect the elderly and vulnerable as they are most likely to be hospitalised.

But now funnily enough the we're all in it together is not relevant now some have the vaccination, now there's a divide and it's tough luck to those younger who can't get it yet and I am ok jack for older people who can now enjoy more freedoms that younger unvaccinated people can't. It's not a surprise it now leaves a bitter taste in the mouths of younger people and they think it's deeply unfair.

For those seeming to be stuck on pledges and donations, this link shows all of the donor profiles that supprt Gavi (which set up covax)

Uk is one of six nations that have supported them from the start, and the UK is 1 of 2 nations that donates through all four of Gavi's channels of funding.

www.gavi.org/investing-gavi/funding/donor-profiles/united-kingdom

UK

As a 40something it is disappointing.
I hope that in a couple of weeks when they know better what’s coming some of us might at least be able to book ours for may or whenever. Just having a date would be a huge relief

@Frazzled2207

As a 40something it is disappointing. I hope that in a couple of weeks when they know better what’s coming some of us might at least be able to book ours for may or whenever. Just having a date would be a huge relief

Indeed. I don’t mind the wait as seems we’ll have to but would be good to have a date in the calendar so I can plan around it.

I think for me it’s the inconvenience given all the talk of vaccine passports

If 40s can’t be vaccinated til May then that puts second doses to August which affects European holidays

The risk of covid doesn’t worry me at all it’s more if they add restrictions for the unvaccinated

Would you go on a European holiday this summer?

I feel that we might just need not go abroad this summer (unless for essential reasons) as so much if Europe won’t be vaccinated and we need to keep Brazil variant out as much as poss.

It’s a shame, but it strikes me as odd to go to all this effort with lockdown and vaccines and then to send millions off to a place where the virus is still going strong and the population aren’t vaccinated.....and that’s with all our kids who aren’t vaccinated and might not be a big risk of dying but are good at transmitting it.

Do you see it differently? I guess lots of people do because people are talking about foreign hols.

This morning is the first time I’ve heard the phrase extremely unlikely when talking about European holiday

Scientist though, yet to see government position