To think the EU countries are utter fuckwits over the AZ vaccine?

[annonnymous]

Words fail me at the utter stupidity and reckless behaviour of many EU countries over the whole vaccination thing and in particular the AZ vaccine.

40 people with blood clots with AZ ..... which is statistically lower than the average number of people who get blood clots anyway and the same as the Pfizer one! And the twatty french president saying AZ was quite ineffective in the over 65s and the whole of the EU slow the give it to over 65s because there was no evidence (because it wasn't tested on them) that it worked. It does, and sheer logic says it will. Your immune system doesn't fold up at 65.

With covid cases rising, Paris hospitals shipping out seriously ill patients to other areas, Italy in serious problems again, they need to stop this.

On no real evidence they are putting the lives of thousands of people at risk and putting a question mark over an effective vaccine which makes no profit and can be used worldwide cheaply.

The WHO say it's safe. FFS Europe, get a grip and stop the politics.

eva Europe are completely divided on the issue. Both Poland and Italy have come out and confirmed that the suspension is 'political' in their own words.

www.rfi.fr/en/france/20210316-political-storm-in-the-wake-of-french-suspension-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine

notesfrompoland.com/2021/03/16/poland-blames-media-fuelled-panic-for-eu-countries-suspending-astrazeneca-vaccine/

Clearly there is huge disparity.

But you can keep banging on that the EU are doing a perfect job if you want, I am beginning to wonder why you are incapable of acknowledging the very serious and deadly failures. Why you are posting such misinformation on here?

@MarshaBradyo I don’t think it’s about rollout being low. It clearly is. Experts are correct on that.

But the U.K. media and this thread is very ‘the Eu are jealous of OuR vaccine so they are bad mouthing it and stopping using it because they’re JeALoUs of how great we are doing with our vaccine we are so lucky we left the big bad crazy Eu or we would all be dead by now’ hysteria!!

So is the supply chain sorted now ? And does that mean that vaccine rate will start to speed up as it seems very slow. If AZ is not the main vaccine being used why does any of this matter in Europe ?
And it is scary that EMA are saying one thing and governments another. I find it scary that politicians are over riding science. Why ?

@Downinahole not jealous at all. I'm very glad we have scientists who can make vaccines so fast. Couldn't care less if they come from Mars

@MarshaBradyo In Ireland we didn’t receive the amounts of AZ or Moderna we should have and I think also a slightly lower amount of Pfizer. But we are expecting 2.2 million Pfizer doses next month so that will allow us to vaccinate 1.1 million and we have the capacity to get that out relatively speedily so hoping for a good catch up. We are not going to get the AZ expected again however due to continuing supply issues.

It's brilliant for Boris and co. While everyone is getting their knickers in a twist about a couple of days pause of a vaccine in other countries he's managed to put the billions he didn't have for nurses into building more nuclear weapons and removing people's right to protest. All in a day's work. He's built his briefing room and there is government sponsored content all over the papers to make sure the plebs keep looking the other way and forget operation last gasp, the one day back at school before another four month lockdown etc.

THAT is what is chilling.

Btw - at least in Spain, AZ is used for young professionals and Pfizer and moderna for healthcare and the elderly and vulnerable, so the people getting the AZ in Spain haven't even had it in the UK yet. Are you screaming about the young British teachers dying in their thousands as they haven't been vaccinated yet?

[quote Downinahole]@MarshaBradyo I don’t think it’s about rollout being low. It clearly is. Experts are correct on that.

But the U.K. media and this thread is very ‘the Eu are jealous of OuR vaccine so they are bad mouthing it and stopping using it because they’re JeALoUs of how great we are doing with our vaccine we are so lucky we left the big bad crazy Eu or we would all be dead by now’ hysteria!![/quote]
I think that if you have other vaccines and a pause with AZ doesn’t actually delay then it’s a decision for each country to take.

I also understood the JCVI point of view this morning - who didn’t back the decision.

It’s complicated by posts that sometimes state facts that are at odds with each other. Not you, but it’s hard to get an accurate picture.

I suppose we’ll find out in a few days if there is cause for concern from further investigation.

Incredibly some of the posts are blaming the UK media for simply reporting the facts! Of course they are going to cover the chaos engulfing the EU vaccine roll out, they are paid to report to the country what is happening in the world. And lets face it, it is a hell of a story and one without a happy ending sadly.

I am sure there is plenty more to come, as it dawns on normal Europeans that they have been royally stitched up, and sacrificed at the alter of political mind games by the bureaucrats and their own useless politicians.
This is going to be huge when the truth finally emerges, as it will.

@mumsneedwine Im talking about the tone of the thread and all the posts. Even you have seemingly taken it personally that the EU has paused rollout when it’s literally nothing to do with the U.K. by saying you are cross

@BigWoollyJumpers

EU member states have received 62.2 million vaccines under the joint procurement scheme run by Brussels and administered 77 per cent of those – about 48 million shots. About 14.8 million AstraZeneca vaccines have been delivered to EU countries, with less than half, 7.3 million, being used

Due to AZ's delivery problems, a lot of countries are being forced to hold the second dose ready to give to people who received the first dose when the time comes, because they cannot be confident that AZ will deliver enough to provide the second does.

That doesn't account for 'less than half' of course, but it probably does when you factor in the minority of countries that have a specific confidence problem with that vaccine, especially when they're proportionally large in population.

quentin pure hyperbole. I am not even prepared to go there with the number of inaccuracies in your post.

The anti EU sentiment on this thread reads as ‘if it’s good enough for the UK, it’s good enough for everyone else’. The feigned dismay at thousands of Europeans not getting AZ reads as UK posters shouting let’s all go down together.

You don’t see Europeans shouting for the Uk to pause vaccinations.
Do your thing in the UK and let the EU take care of the rest of us.

How convenient @Itsalonghaul

Hyperbole - god I know. It's cringeworthy how hysterical some Brits are getting. I guess there isn't much else to do in lockdown and Meghan is last weeks big bad.

@Downinahole I'm not cross with the EU about using the vaccine. I'm cross about the language being used which is scaring people unnecessarily. EU head has been very irresponsible.

Az has today been re-approved in Denmark 🥳

Do your thing in the UK and let the EU take care of the rest of us.

These are my thoughts too. I can't see why people are getting so upset over what the EU is doing. If you are in the UK, it's what the UK is doing that matters.

If it has nothing to do with the UK and nothing to do with Oxford AZ, then why the hell did Ursula von Der Leyen threaten to introduce controls on the Irish border aimed at stopping potential vaccine shipments to Britain?
Knowing full well the historical blood shed and violence on the border for decades.

Do you REALLY think that has nothing to do with the UK or Ireland for that matter?

How dare you even say that given the decades it has taken to find peace in Ireland and Northern Ireland. How dare you, and shows your ignorance downinthehole

Yes VDL later apologised for her 'mistake' but the damage was well and truly done by that point.

@MarshaBradyo it has had an impact but a smallish one - 10,000 people have had their vaccination appointment cancelled this week. But if the go ahead is given this week then those people will get their appointments next week instead and we are still in full lockdown so no one should be leaving their houses anyway so one could argue the delay has a small impact in that those people should be shielding at home anyway.

We are definitely more focused on Pfizer though as the AZ supplies are not reliable at the minute due to the production delays. AZ is also not being given out to the elderly - the pharmacists and pharmacy shop staff are the main ones getting it at the minute.

@newstart1234

Az has today been re-approved in Denmark 🥳

Great news! FX for other countries to follow on!

Incredibly some of the posts are blaming the UK media for simply reporting the facts!
Sorry but LOL at UK media reporting the facts

I really don't want to fall out with European neighbours and I think we all need to dial it down a little and stop taking things so personally

@MythicalBiologicalFennel

Incredibly some of the posts are blaming the UK media for simply reporting the facts! Sorry but LOL at UK media reporting the facts

Well to be fair, the broadsheets are pretty good

Incredibly some of the posts are blaming the UK media for simply reporting the facts!

If you think the UK media are accurately recording everything going on in all the European countries in a completely factual, objective and honest manner I'll have some of what you have been drinking.

So no, it is not possible for the UK to ignore the outright lies from the EU, the slander, the posturing, the political bullying, the mistakes and inaccuracies and the failures of the EU.

Why? Because we live in a global community with a freedom of the press, and if may just have an impact on our people here, they may now feel fearful of the vaccine for no good reason thanks to the idiots in the EU! Not to mention the damage it is doing in places like Africa where they are historically suspicious of vaccines anyway.

It is utterly deluded to think that the EU being stupid enough to suspend/ban the AZ vaccine won't have an impact on anyone else, because that it just more lies!

Can you ever just tell the truth? You messed up. End of. Now just get over it, and save your own people ffs.

@Itsalonghaul I think you are confused. This is a thread about the halting of AZ in EU countries while the blood clot issue is investigated. Maybe start another thread for your rantings? Be sure not to leave out how Arlene is currently trying her hardest to get Article 16 triggered.