Vaccine rollout in Europe

[Baileysforchristmas]

The vaccine rollout in Europe is turning into a complete disaster.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/19/german-politicians-counter-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-scepticism-with-show-of-support

www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/18925837.covid-vaccine-yorkshire-firm-croda-make-key-parts-jab/

So yes British firm.
Spending more money and investing
5 year contract with phizer which is produced in Europe.
4 key components.

So EU are wrong. The EU could have fact checked and easily found this out for themselves.
So could the BBC.

The EU making up complete shite 🙄

Bailey - which country are you in?

@Baileysforchristmas

I hope the EU use the stock pile of over 25 million AZ vaccines, the shelf life is only 6 months, I can see a lot of it going to waste.

According to the article you linked in another thread, AZ will only deliver 30 million doses by the end of March. By March 7th only 11 millions had been delivered. www.politico.eu/article/astrazeneca-cuts-once-again-its-eu-vaccine-delivery-targets-report Your talk about the EU stockpiling 25 millions of doses is therefore complete rubbish, as are your repeated assertions that anything is going to waste.

It was on an article I read, they may have estimated the numbers, below article gives %

www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-covid19-vaccine-deliveries-in-europe-by-the-numbers/

Anyone wondering where the issues are within the az supply chain?
Is it the yeild and production in European factories ie Belgium?
Really confuses as UK factory and India seem to be doing ok production wise.
Some of europes vaccines are made in India is my understanding.
Also still question marks over Netherlands which the ema haven't approved to make vaccines for Europe
I mean less doses again is disappointing.
Are they reducing other counties orders too?

What's happening with 250k doses Australia brought and paid for.
Could az Sweden get India send Australia 250k owed or could az be sued breech contract not that we know what contract Australia has and doubtful they be anti az as they about to start production in Australia.

Will there be any more export bans affecting other 3rd counties?

Lots of counties paused az in Europe is there a time limit now.
Are the eu realistically going to get any more vaccines from phizer or moderna to make up the shortfall.
Will ema authorise Johnson and Johnson very soon and how fast can they realistically manufacture and deliver doses.
May or June?
Has phizer ironed out its production issues.

UK media not really reporting covid much other countries but seems high Italy, France, Eastern Europe and rise i Germany so surely getting vaccines as speedy as possible is a priority in those particular countries.

www.politico.eu/article/astrazeneca-cuts-once-again-its-eu-vaccine-delivery-targets-report/amp/

Will the ema actually authorise the Russian vaccine?
Says they doing rolling reveiw!

Will ema authorise Johnson and Johnson very soon

Not sure about the EMA's stance but the French authorities authorised it's use yesterday.

www.lepoint.fr/sante/covid-19-le-vaccin-de-johnson-johnson-autorise-en-france-12-03-2021-2417523_40.php#

UK media not really reporting covid much other countries but seems high Italy, France, Eastern Europe

Stubbornly high and drifting upwards again n France (25229 cases reported yesterday), concerns about levels of ITU occupancy and hints in the media that a third national confinement may not be that far off, though the Prime Minister played that down in a quick speech to the media last night.

On the plus side the vaccination program is at long long last rolling along at a decent rate, for example close to 300k vaccinated Thursday, even more yesterday.

The rolling totals so far. (again, Thursday figures).

First vaccinations done - 4 569 849
Second vaccinations done - 2 152 380

Fingers crossed the supply chain holds up...

@notimagain

Will ema authorise Johnson and Johnson very soon

Not sure about the EMA's stance but the French authorities authorised it's use yesterday.

www.lepoint.fr/sante/covid-19-le-vaccin-de-johnson-johnson-autorise-en-france-12-03-2021-2417523_40.php#

UK media not really reporting covid much other countries but seems high Italy, France, Eastern Europe

Stubbornly high and drifting upwards again n France (25229 cases reported yesterday), concerns about levels of ITU occupancy and hints in the media that a third national confinement may not be that far off, though the Prime Minister played that down in a quick speech to the media last night.

On the plus side the vaccination program is at long long last rolling along at a decent rate, for example close to 300k vaccinated Thursday, even more yesterday.

The rolling totals so far. (again, Thursday figures).

First vaccinations done - 4 569 849
Second vaccinations done - 2 152 380

Fingers crossed the supply chain holds up...

Thats great news for France. Interesting they authorising before ema I assumed ema be very soon as fda in USA have authorised it . UK MHRA haven't. Have they started manufacturing so deliveries be very quick or do they have to start the production line in Switzerland . Is the curfew working in France. Are non essential, hospotality and schools open? I guess not overwhelming healthcare is priority most countries. Europe seems be experiencing 3rd wave some parts and we assume Kent varient but we know south African and Brazilian are also some parts of Europe.

J&J was authorised by EMA a few days ago!

@notimagain

Yeah but they've been saying that here in France for months, now! I'm struggling to stay on ongoing high alert. The daily cases remains stubbornly high - but stable. We're just sitting waiting for one of the variants to kick off - or not. And for the impacts of the vaccination campaign to kick in - or not, or rather, not for a while.

It's weird. Far more people in the UK have been vaccinated, yet my relatives in Scotland are still homeschooling, wfh, in lock down, aren't allowed to mix or travel out of their health district. And they sound scared! Whereas here, vaccination is crawling along, but life goes on - kids in school, most people back in the office at least some of the time, free to travel and mix within the country. The only real sign of the situation is that hospitality is closed and we're all wearing masks. And I don't get the same sense of fear here at all.

I guess the clincher will be if a variant takes off here in France, that would be the game changer.

I follow a few French GPs on Twitter, it's fascinating to hear the challenges (and cockups) from the inside.

Whilst I can see why politicians want to avoid another full lockdown, I do question why they are not looking at the UK in December.

Trying to tackle it at a regional level did not work.

I lived in one of the low risk areas. In December cases were low. In January, one of the highest rates and growing faster.

[quote miimblemomble]@notimagain

Yeah but they've been saying that here in France for months, now! I'm struggling to stay on ongoing high alert. The daily cases remains stubbornly high - but stable. We're just sitting waiting for one of the variants to kick off - or not. And for the impacts of the vaccination campaign to kick in - or not, or rather, not for a while.

It's weird. Far more people in the UK have been vaccinated, yet my relatives in Scotland are still homeschooling, wfh, in lock down, aren't allowed to mix or travel out of their health district. And they sound scared! Whereas here, vaccination is crawling along, but life goes on - kids in school, most people back in the office at least some of the time, free to travel and mix within the country. The only real sign of the situation is that hospitality is closed and we're all wearing masks. And I don't get the same sense of fear here at all.

I guess the clincher will be if a variant takes off here in France, that would be the game changer.

I follow a few French GPs on Twitter, it's fascinating to hear the challenges (and cockups) from the inside.[/quote]
My mums Wales and shes so down and frustrated by how tight the restriction are.
They allowing salons but not non essential until England non essential retail reopens on 12th April.
Both my parents 70 and 60s have had 1st az jab and Wales seems be quite speedy with vaccination.
In England is postcode lottery some areas quicker than others my areas working in 50 to 60 now.
We only have az and phizer.
Had no moderna delivered yet and uk moderna order thing revised downwards.
School's returned fully in England
But partial return Wales and Scotland.
I Wales theres you can't travel any further than 5miles.
From what you say France sounds less restriction than uk.
My cousin and his French girlfriend moved to northern city in France last year.
God knows when family from uk can visit them.
Think these new varients took a lot by surprise I guess geographically France more Likely to have varient anglaise/ Kent unless a lot travel from South Africa or Brazil.
Those are the 2 scientists worry with affect how successful the 1st generation vaccines are.
Uk scientists already said we can offer boosters to deal with new varients at later date we just want to give people some level of protection is better than none philosophy .

Had no idea ema approved janson.
How quick can they produce and deliver?

I would like to see more transparency over az supply issues as its all a bit vague.

@miimblemomble

Yeah but they've been saying that here in France for months, now! I'm struggling to stay on ongoing high alert. The daily cases remains stubbornly high - but stable. We're just sitting waiting for one of the variants to kick off - or not.

Yep I know...I think the prob now isn't so much the case numbers which as you said were stable but have drifted up a bit in the last week from around 20k per day to 25- to almost 30k on at least one day recently) the bigger issue that the numbers in reanimation nationwide have gone through the 4k barrier.

That's the sort figure seems to have been a trigger for increased restrictions before..that, plus of course the fact that we're back to "bussing" people around across the country to find the spare capacity in reanimation is not a good sign...

@notimagain

It might be a coincidence but...my kids schools have sent out a revised protocol re. the variants, my oldest has his first mass testing at school next week AND we’ve received confirmation of a positive case in his class - another first. All in the same week as the réanimation numbers cross the line. Feels a bit ominous! At least the sun is shining:-)

@3asAbird@3

Is the curfew working in France

Not really - we are still at circa 25k new cases a day.

Are non essential, hospitality and schools open

Schools and shops are open, but all bars, cafes and restaurants have been shut since the end of October. No sign of any re-opening. Many restaurants around here do offer a variety of take-away options (usually involving a bit of cooking/warming at home) but that has been rather scuppered by the need to be home for 6pm.

@3asAbird
Are the eu realistically going to get any more vaccines from phizer or moderna to make up the shortfall.
Will ema authorise Johnson and Johnson very soon and how fast can they realistically manufacture and deliver doses.
May or June?
Has phizer ironed out its production issues.

J&J was recently approved by EMA. The first batches seem to be scheduled for April - probably later in the month though.

Pfizer definitely got their shit together and are delivering more than expected.

Moderna under-delivering, sadly.

J&J and Pfizer are by the far Denmark's biggest orders (and have been from the start.) I don't know why - I guess since Pfizer was the first one ready it made sense, and the "one-jab" nature of J&J was logistically convenient.

[quote NewLevelsOfTiredness]@3asAbird
Are the eu realistically going to get any more vaccines from phizer or moderna to make up the shortfall.
Will ema authorise Johnson and Johnson very soon and how fast can they realistically manufacture and deliver doses.
May or June?
Has phizer ironed out its production issues.

J&J was recently approved by EMA. The first batches seem to be scheduled for April - probably later in the month though.

Pfizer definitely got their shit together and are delivering more than expected.

Moderna under-delivering, sadly.

J&J and Pfizer are by the far Denmark's biggest orders (and have been from the start.) I don't know why - I guess since Pfizer was the first one ready it made sense, and the "one-jab" nature of J&J was logistically convenient.[/quote]
Logically and logistically 1 shot can see the appeal.
Just have hope j and joy don't have manufacturing issues with yeild the current 3 on the block have had.
Denmark seems to be doing better than other eu countries and has very good genome sequencing and read they doing a deal separately to EU on buying any leftover vaccines from Israel I guess phizer.
Uk dident order much Moderna and ordered late so EU due to get that before UK but reduced deliveries.

I don't know what the EU keep saying UK is responsible vaccine nationalism when the states are hoarding az they haven't even approved it only has 6month life span they should give to Europe , Canada covax if they not going to use them.

www.nytimes.com/2021/03/11/us/politics/coronavirus-astrazeneca-united-states.html
I do think there's mix of big pharma wars and politics at play here.
The Democrats want a closer relationship with eu and do more trade with them than the uk.
A lot of the vaccines are American or part American

Phizer biotech American German.
Johnson and Johnson / janson American and possibly one other eu country Dutch but made in Switzerland.
Moderna all American i call it the dolly Parton vaccine as she contributed towards research.
The new novavax is American.
Chinese vaccines and Russian used in some eu countries but not authorised by EMA.
Oxford astrazeneca uk sweeden the cheapest and not for profit.

Lots eu countries also have new leaders, elections this year and next and fragile coalitions.
Think Holland has elections and they had rioting issues.
New leader Italy blocked 250k az vaccines to Australia.
Germany I think this year
Macron and French elections next year
Coalitions in Ireland and Slovakia made news lately.

@3asAbird

Yes, Denmark is up with the UK for testing of variants etc. They ramped up heavily over the new year in that respect. There's also a big pharmaceutical industry here so we've been able to make the most of the vaccines we've received (apparently we have specialized needles that can almost always get an extra dose from each vial or something.)

The media here really doesn't blame the UK for anything. We're hardly going to be throwing vaccines around elsewhere while we still need them either.

We've also started human trials on our own vaccine today, although it won't be ready for approval this year, it'll be nice to be self-sufficient going forward.

I think Denmark's benefitted from strong leadership - Mette Frederiksen hadn't been in power long so isn't stressing about imminent elections, plus her coalition is fairly strong and the opposition are self-destructing a little bit with internal politics right now.

I like calling Moderna the Dolly Parton one - she's a remarkable person :)

With the (pointless) suspension of the AZ vaccine in nine countries, the EU rollout seems to be going from bad to worse.

@Dongdingdong

Very different context here, with a much higher level of anti vax / vaccine hesitancy, and much more suspicion of big pharmac/ government anyway. If eg the French govt ploughed on when others had suspended, it would be used by anti vaccers as evidence that the gouvernement was ignoring safety concerns. Even if they turn out to be baseless - and we all hope they are - Macron needs to jump through these hoops and to be seen jumping.

Its quite bizzare what the EU are up to. It resembles a smear campaign if you ask me, a smear campaign on a perfectly safe vaccine in the middle of a fkin pandemic. Complete heads gone. At first i thought they wouldnt stoop so low, but im starting to see now they will try absolutely anything to deflect criticism on them, at the expense of public health.

Heads should roll on this latest effort now as they know full well the numbers arent significant for that sort of reaction, causing yet more distrust in the AZ vaccine, against the advice of the EMA and WHO.

Shame on them.

Its quite bizzare what the EU are up to.

The "EU" in the shape of the European Medicines Agency, is advising continued use of the vaccine.

It's individual nation states that have called for a temporary stop, for various reasons sometimes shaped by national sentiment, as pointed out by pp and as described here:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/15/europes-caution-over-oxford-vaccine-about-more-than-the-science

Looks like Russia has made deal to manufacture its vaccine in the EU. Coincidence perhaps 🤔

www.euronews.com/2021/03/15/sputnik-v-russia-announces-more-deals-to-produce-its-vaccine-in-the-european-union

Its quite bizzare what the EU are up to.
It's bizarre to blame the EU- are you not following this at all?

Sweden have now completely suspended use of the AstraZeneca vaccine pending the outcome of an investigation into the side effects being conducted by the EMA.