Vaccine rollout in Europe

[Baileysforchristmas]

The vaccine rollout in Europe is turning into a complete disaster.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/19/german-politicians-counter-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-scepticism-with-show-of-support

@Baileysforchristmas
... when the Germans and French have over a million doses sitting in fridges they don’t want to use?

Repeating this nonsense again and again still doesn't make it true.
As has been pointed out to you before, "hasn't been used yet" is not the same as "won't be used".

It’s simple the EMA have not approved the plant in The Hague to be used for the EU, it down to the EMA , I suppose they have to do certain checks which haven’t been done yet?

@Guinan well I hope they do and they aren’t thrown away.

[quote Baileysforchristmas]And why have the EU done this when the Germans and French have over a million doses sitting in fridges they don’t want to use?

www.politico.eu/article/italy-blocks-shipment-of-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-headed-to-australia/[/quote]
This is really odd

They produced legislation that can block vaccines being exported.
They claim they haven't blocked any.
Then we hear Italy blocked Australia which I assume they brought and paid for.
They also maybe have different contract to wait EU drew up.
Why Italy its not even produced in Italy or is it bottled there?
Italy don't seem want it for their old people's.
It alll makes no sense its a confusing mess.

Has the EU confirmed and paid for orders with valneva or norovax yet?
Which brands next avaliable as in manufactured for delivery ?

Maybe if Angela Merkel and Macron were both on TV having AZ vaccine that might encourage the nation.

@Baileysforchristmas

It’s simple the EMA have not approved the plant in The Hague to be used for the EU, it down to the EMA , I suppose they have to do certain checks which haven’t been done yet?

But logic says if Belgium plants not achieving the yeild and enough vaccines then they speed through authorisation of the Netherlands factory. I assumed they been producing vaccines for many months. That without approval all their stock is exported. The article i recently linked said EU invested money and support into the Netherlands factory.

Apologies im out of date bbc and sky news covering same story
It appears Italy does produce az vaccine too which is really odd as when there was alll the trouble a few weeks ago about supply only Belgium and Netherlands factories were mentioned so thought only 2 factories within Europe no mention of Italy.

Feel sorry for Australia I can't imagine they be best pleases.
They aim to produce there themselves in near future but in short term we're relying on thier initial orders from European factory.
If EU haven't invested in the eu factories what right do they have to block?
Wonder if any legal cases be brought soon?

It sounds like some member states have no faith or confidence in their EMA.
Like wise they undermine the EMA with thier decisions.
From a business point of view why would pharmaceutical companies want to produce in the EU if they seek to block exports causing breech contact between non EU countries and the vaccine company..

I know a key component of phizzer is produced in uk Yorkshire maybe thats why they didn't block our delivery.

www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-italy-and-eu-block-oxford-vaccine-shipment-to-australia-12235848

@Baileysforchristmas

Maybe if Angela Merkel and Macron were both on TV having AZ vaccine that might encourage the nation.

I don't disagree but the trouble in Mr Macron's case is the optics..

Given his age (43) and the lack of any obvious health problems there would immediately be screams from all and sundry about him queue jumping and abuse of privilege.

He's sort of damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

What Macron said about the AZ jab being "quasi ineffective" for the elderly was wicked. Actually wicked.

Ditto the Germans who decided it shouldn't be used for over 65s. Which they've now had to change... And also changed their advice to agree with the UK procedure of 12 weeks between jabs...

It's a farce in the EU. But, imo, Macron was wicked and will have caused deaths. All for some political point scoring and attempts at face saving

It's nothing to do with political point scoring but not enough test data for older people. That's is gradually being reversed in lots of countries as more data comes in. The successful roll out in U.K. forms part of that of course. AZ will now be used in Belgium for over 65s starting next week. I am agog that so many posters seem to link this all to Brexit and almost salivate that Eu is behind. Though Belgium has already ahead on second doses as a %. From what I read Pfizer will be given 3 weeks apart, AZ and Moderna 4 weeks apart. And we hope that there will not be supply issues that prevent U.K. getting their 2 doses.

What Macron said about the AZ jab being "quasi ineffective" for the elderly was wicked.

What Mr Macron actually said in part , translated into English was:

"Today we think that it is quasi-ineffective for people over 65"

It's was an unfortunate thing to say..perhaps...Whether that was him being "wicked" or in reality it was an accurate description of the state of knowledge when he said it I'll leave for others to discuss if they so wish.

Much talk of vaccination passports for travel in EU. Though general opinion is that a negative test should be sufficient. They are keen to have something quickly in place to have a view on people's Covid status.

Oh please. Macron has so many chips on his shoulder - the French vaccines that he insisted the EU buy have been a disaster, the AZ vaccine is part British, the EU vaccine procurement was an embarrassment, and to top it all, the UK have been managing just fine and showing that an efficient rollout is possible.

He wanted to lower demand in his own country, because the EU had messed up procurement.

And if it wasn't political, why was all the fuss being made about AZ not delivering the number of vaccines ordered, when Pfizer was doing the same thing?

As for "test data" - there was no test data to back up what Macron said. None at all. So I really don't think he was going with the science, there...

@notimagain

What Macron said about the AZ jab being "quasi ineffective" for the elderly was wicked.

What Mr Macron actually said in part , translated into English was:

"Today we think that it is quasi-ineffective for people over 65"

It's was an unfortunate thing to say..perhaps...Whether that was him being "wicked" or in reality it was an accurate description of the state of knowledge when he said it I'll leave for others to discuss if they so wish.

It most certainly wasn't an "accurate description of the state of knowledge when he said it". No discussion needed!

It’s just been on C4, millions of doses not being used in Germany, Germans won’t AZ, they don’t think it’s safe. Tegal airport is empty, this is where AZ vaccine is being administrated, what a complete farce.

Well done Macron, well done German health ministry and Angela Merkel. Brilliant work

Is there a difference between saying "we think" and "we don't yet know"? 🤔🙄

I actually think Macron should resign over this. Certainly that journalist at Handelsblatt

[quote Guinan]@Baileysforchristmas
... when the Germans and French have over a million doses sitting in fridges they don’t want to use?

Repeating this nonsense again and again still doesn't make it true.
As has been pointed out to you before, "hasn't been used yet" is not the same as "won't be used".[/quote]

Oh ok then.

250k is a drop in the ocean for eu in its shortfall of supply.
Will they all stay and be administered in Italy or split 250k between all the members states.
Are italians less skeptical and now want Oxford az vaccine as last I heard it was the least popular.
What's point stockpiling vaccines that won't be used any time soon?
Australia is behind Europe with its vaccination schedule.
So far oz has passed no comment.

www.itv.com/news/2021-03-04/eu-blocks-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-exports-bound-for-australia

www.itv.com/news/2021-02-16/covid-why-are-italians-refusing-the-oxfordastrazeneca-coronavirus-vaccine

So why Italy 🇮🇹 blocking exports?
Why on c4 news did Germany hide access fo a very quiet vaccination centre @ airport only 1 centre in all Berlin thats offering az.

Every day seems to make the EU look worse!

And I agre @tobee, Macron has behaved appallingly over this. And played right into the hands of anti vaxxers

I know I don’t understand it, 250k is a drop in the ocean to the EU, they have more doses stock piled.

@QuentinInQuarantino

I’m confused by your point OP. South Africa have returned all their AZ vaccine. The EU is using it on younger people, because it’s been proven to be less effective in older people. I’m glad my grandmother has had the Pfizer and I’d be happy with the AZ as a younger person. What is the disaster? The speed is disappointing but a “complete disaster?”

You see, you swallowed the nonsense. The AZ had not been proven to be less effective in older people. As even the Germans are now having to admit.