Vaccine rollout in Europe

[Baileysforchristmas]

The vaccine rollout in Europe is turning into a complete disaster.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/19/german-politicians-counter-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-scepticism-with-show-of-support

It says in the article only 17% of the AZ delivered are being used, I wonder how many are actually been thrown away? If EU countries don’t want it why not give it to other poor countries that do?

Another reason why the EU need to hurry up and vaccinate

www.politico.eu/article/in-the-dark-europe-falters-on-tracking-coronavirus-variants/

@newstart1234

There are so many different issues in the different countries it’s meaningless to say the whole thing is a fiasco. In Denmark they’ve fully vaccinated the most vulnerable, schools are open for the first 5 year groups, the older ones are going back next week I think. Shops are planned to open soon after. The death rate is a fraction of the U.K.’s, as are hospitalisations and cases. Everyone is due to get vaccinated fully by the end of June here too. In fact, sooner than the U.K.. I hardly call is a disaster so far.

In Denmark they've given 7.92 vaccines/100 people. 3% of the population have had both doses. That suggests there are plenty of the most vulnerable who still have no protection at all.

(Source: ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations)

Also waiting for the data that proves AZ is less effective on the elderly...

The EU is not doing as well as we are on the vaccine in terms of getting people vaccinated. That is just a fact. A numbers game. The French criticism of our one dose policy also seems shady now in the light of the new studies showing that it is in fact a good pragmatic decision in an, ahem, pandemic.

There was a lot of snobbishness and guffawing from some countries re. The longer gap and the speed with which the U.K. approved the vaccines. It’s hard now to admit the U.K. was actually right without these countries looking foolish. Apparently Ursula is now saying approvals need to be speeded up and can be done on an emergency basis so seems the U.K. was right about that.
I’ve also noticed the tone has changed re. Mix and matching, something the EU also turned their noses up at and which the U.K. has not said it will do yet but is carrying out trials.

@Baileysforchristmas it says “has been used” not “is being used.” It’s only just been delivered and the uk will also have a freezer full of vaccines to be used but you haven’t read a well spun article about it.

@pommedeterre RTFT there isn’t any data that says that. There is data to say it’s less effective than Moderna and Pfizer and there is a lack of data on the elderly, so some countries are choosing to give the elderly the overall more effective vaccines and safe the cheaper, easier but slightly less effective AZ for the younger less vulnerable, front line workers for example.

But how many people in the EU are turning down AZ vaccine when offered it whatever their age? I think the number is quite high, surely any vaccine that offers 100% against serious illness, hospital admittance and death is better than no vaccine?

Also @Baileysforchristmas they do want it and I’ve said they do and are using it for younger less vulnerable population. You’ve ignored that, you’ve misquoted the article you linked to completely change its meaning and now you’re “wondering” that the nasty eu is just chucking it’s vaccines and withholding them from the third world.

Your agenda is transparent and I’m bowing out because it’s now clear you aren’t remotely interested in facts, you only wanted to validate your us versus them sanctimony, and I feel foolish for spending time offering you information that didn’t fit your facts-don’t-matter narrative.

Anti Vaxxers exist everywhere. There was a thread here last week where a MN was gutted she had had the “inferior” AZ vaccine (her words) and she was British, in England, and nothing to do with Europe. Start a French bashing thread if that’s what you want but don’t peddle lies.

It's certainly not a competition and many countries are not following the UKs one jab approach. Overall a higher percentage in EU have had both jabs. AZ is not granted for over 55s in several countries and published info is that it is less effective. I'm a bit aghast at the view that it is all a disaster and think this is just more Brexit shit.

Anti Vaxxers exist everywhere. There was a thread here last week where a MN was gutted she had had the “inferior” AZ vaccine (her words) and she was British, in England, and nothing to do with Europe. Start a French bashing thread if that’s what you want but don’t peddle lies.

Says the poster who made a completely wrong assertion about the AZ vaccine’s efficacy amongst older people (you really should get that deleted by the way, like grapewine did) and also stated that you were pleased your family have had the more “effective” vaccine

It's certainly not a competition

It’s not a competition, but time is of the fucking essence here!

My mil is in her 80s and lives in France. She is desperate to be vaccinated but so far attempts to sort it have been a catalogue of errors, she is constantly chasing to sort it

If the vaccines turn out to be successful, then anyone gloating[not sure anyone is anywhere] that the EU are far behind, is not going to think it is so funny, when they themselves or family members, want or go on holidays abroad, or their neighbours have just come back from France, Germany, Austria or whereever.

So the data shows the UK were correct in giving one dose and 2nd dose 12 weeks later, also Astrazeneca has great results in all age categories after 1st vaccine, the EU are shooting them selves in the foot not using it

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/22/one-vaccine-protection-severe-covid-evidence

All it was with the AZ vaccine was that they didn't do trials with the elderly for ethical reasons. There is no evidence it doesn't work in the elderly and the evidence that it does is now coming through.

It isn't quite as effective as Pfizer but it's much easier to transport and store and is much cheaper and for those who aren't particularly vulnerable, it is more than good enough. As someone said, people refusing AZ is like refusing to drive a car with a 4 NCAP score because it's not 5 and lying on the floor for a car to drive over them instead.

I suspect those of us at the back of the queue might get the Moderna vaccine as that comes onstream, which will also be ok.

There was a very detailed article in yesterday's Sunday Times about the Oxford vaccine - well worth a read and very good for combating all the misinformation about it.

It’s such a shame the EU were criticising AZ even though EMA approved it and didn’t give it a chance, all the poor Europeans not being vaccinated, i’m eager to visit all the beautiful countries in the EU but the chance of this is moving further and further away.

My grandparents in the Netherlands have both had their first vaccine, my grandmother has her appointment for the second one in a month.

Vaccinating is going a bit slower than people would like to see, but it's really not as bad as people on here are making it out to be. Meanwhile the Netherlands has a death rate half that of the UK so I know where I'd rather be.

The more data that emerges on the AZ vaccine, the more hapless and worryingly inept the EU countries who have criticized it look.

@CuteOrangeElephant the data doesn’t lie, sadly.

Well they always have the Russian vaccine to turn to that hasn’t been approved by EMA yet 🙄

Well they always have the Russian vaccine to turn to that hasn’t been approved by EMA yet

Disastrous.

I don’t understand the confusion here. Many Eu countries have decided to wait for more data before giving the az vaccine to the over 60s or 65s or whatever. Meanwhile the az is being offered to younger people in the priority categories. Lots of people are pleased with this as they have been ‘bumped up the queue’. The az vaccine make up a small fraction of those ordered by the Eu, so overall doesn’t make a huge difference to the current number of those vaccinated. Much hope is being placed on the one shot janson vaccine because, if approved, it will be very quick and it accounts for the bulk of the vaccine ordered (az order here -1.1 million, janson - 8.2 million) so the amount of fuss about the az vaccine is just not warranted. The communication in Germany has been utterly terrible but the gov are taking steps to fix it. German health culture is very different to Britain; the German stereotype is very health anxious and that’s both helped and hindered the pandemic response. France - I don’t understand macron at all on this. But that’s not the Eu.