Annoyed by order of vaccine rollout

[DreamyDreamer333]

My mum has missed out on being included in the over 65 group by a few months. People ahead of her include those with self inflicted conditions (such as my morbidly obese cousin) and carers. Anyone else annoyed by the order of the groupings ?

In our area the vaccine hubs are doing group 6 and the pharmacy hubs are doing group 5 then going onto group 7. If it’s the same for you it will mean after group 5 your mums group will start.

All those fatties deliberately stuffing themselves to get ahead. Shoot the lot of them.

you don't sound very insightful OP.

Wow app, so you’d swap having a vaccine for also having to have a family member who needed care?! I wouldn’t personally be wishing disability or illness on anyone. Your mum can wait her turn like the rest of us.

Given that at current rates they're vaccinating one million people every two days, find something else to whinge about.

Where would you draw the line on self inflicted conditions OP - should my fiance have to go to the back of the queue, as his heart and lung conditions (that put him in intensive care last year) might have been "worsened" by poor lifestyle choices we all make at some points?

@Thegrassisntgreener

Where would you draw the line on self inflicted conditions OP - should my fiance have to go to the back of the queue, as his heart and lung conditions (that put him in intensive care last year) might have been "worsened" by poor lifestyle choices we all make at some points?

Totally agree.

I unfortunately had a relative die in their 50s a few years ago. He was an alcoholic most of his life from late teens and smoked until a few years before his death. He had lots of hospital treatment to try to save his life. Do we feel he should not have had treatment because it was self inflicted?

I do think it shows the moral obligation we feel for people to be thin. By the way we talk about obesity being self inflicted but don't talk about addiction or mental health being self inflicted.

Regarding mental health I have mh issues. There's definitely choices ive made which could be viewd as making it worse. Is my mh my own fault? Where do we stop with this?

This thread is another horrific.
Who gets vaccines when is quite an emotive subject for a lot of people, with different people having different views on priorities etc.

Instead of recognising that, we have a thread full of overweight people laughing about being overweight and making mean remarks about how OP's mother hasn't gotten a vaccine before themselves.

It is interesting to me the response to someone feeling concerned about an elderly person getting a vaccine after younger and overweight people versus the response to the argument that younger people who work etc getting it.

Both discussions but only one group - namely the overweight - felt such deep defensiveness.
Typical.

That's an interesting interpretation of what's happened on this thread, Yoshinori - I do think your views seem to be somewhat clouded by your evident disgust towards fat people.

Yoshi you know your not ever allowed to challenge a fat person's view on here don't you.

Okokokbear By the way we talk about obesity being self inflicted but don't talk about addiction or mental health being self inflicted.

Because most mental health issues aren't self-inflicted, and actually result from traumas and stressors in the environment.

Addictions and obesity may be self-inflicted or may result from mental health issues (and/or combination of physical health issues).

I've a dear friend who struggles with mental health/binge eating so I do sympathise. However it's interesting that ex-smokers don't get priority (they are more at risk, but intriguingly current smokers aren't) and I wonder how well that would go down on MN? I say this as an ex-smoker who lapsed last year as a result of stress and mental health, which was always very much part of my smoking and that of others I know.

The vitriol aimed at women who are obese by other women is really something to behold. It reeks of the huge societal insecurities that are inflicted on women. Those deeply ingrained beliefs that thin is good and fat is bad.

There isn't much empathy for the fact that obesity is a societal issue, driven by multi factor factors, often starting in childhood- that people have no control over (socio economic deprivation, living in a home with domestic violence and other abuses.)

When they are prioritising for the vaccine, they aren't talking about people who are just obese, but those who are morbidly so. The data is pretty clear just how much more at risk they are than the general population. Especially as they often have diabetes which has been correlated with a huge increase in the risk of mortality.

On a purely economic level it would make sense to give the vaccine to those people who are more likely to die (or be very seriously ill, requiring huge and costly medical interventions.) What's the alternative - compulsory DNRs on fat people? Is that really the society we want to be living in?

I despair of the ability to people to empathise sometimes and also the bitterness that reveals people's true thoughts just because they are sat behind the anonymity of their screen.

It is interesting to me the response to someone feeling concerned about an elderly person getting a vaccine after younger and overweight people versus the response to the argument that younger people who work etc getting it.

Both discussions but only one group - namely the overweight - felt such deep defensiveness.

I expect it's because the implication of the OP is that the lives of overweight people are more disposable. If you go around diminishing the worth of other human beings, you need to accept the backlash from people who find you abhorent.
Typical.

No

I have several family members who are younger than me getting the vaccine,heart conditions severe asthma obesity and I'm in my 50s so hope to get done in April.It is not a competition OP I will happily wait my turn as I hope it means I am healthy and lower risk.Vaccine envy,really?

Yup I’m right there with you OP. Carers I’m fine with when it’s warranted but my auntie has just managed to get a jab because she lied and said she ‘cared’ for an elderly woman across the road. She’s been bragging about how she’s swindled the system.
And yeh I also agree with the fat thing, my cousin is enormous because she can’t stop bloody eating, her Facebook posts are only ever of fry ups, cakes and cheese boards, she’s 32 and just got a vaccine while my husband has a heart condition along with a variety of other conditions which his consultants have said put him at higher risk yet we are fighting to get him a vaccine.
So that’s 2 people have have either swindled the system by stuffing their face into obesity or played the system so yes, we have every right to be fucked off.
And stop with the whinging about people being fat, they even use fat children in films and commercials now like it’s okay, it’s not okay unless you have an underlying condition which means you don’t have a choice then just stop fucking eating.

@Ellietheant

Yup I’m right there with you OP. Carers I’m fine with when it’s warranted but my auntie has just managed to get a jab because she lied and said she ‘cared’ for an elderly woman across the road. She’s been bragging about how she’s swindled the system. And yeh I also agree with the fat thing, my cousin is enormous because she can’t stop bloody eating, her Facebook posts are only ever of fry ups, cakes and cheese boards, she’s 32 and just got a vaccine while my husband has a heart condition along with a variety of other conditions which his consultants have said put him at higher risk yet we are fighting to get him a vaccine. So that’s 2 people have have either swindled the system by stuffing their face into obesity or played the system so yes, we have every right to be fucked off. And stop with the whinging about people being fat, they even use fat children in films and commercials now like it’s okay, it’s not okay unless you have an underlying condition which means you don’t have a choice then just stop fucking eating.

Wow.

Both discussions but only one group - namely the overweight - felt such deep defensiveness.
Typical.

Untrue. The OP mentioned carers and obese people, there have been posts from both. 'Deep defensiveness' is projection on your part I would say, most people who are fat are pretty down to earth about it and acknowledge that there are a huge mix of factors causing excess weight, including stress, sedentary lifestyles, health conditions, different metabolisms, in addition to overeating. Most of us are just living our lives and don't feel the need to be insulting and moralistic. I haven't seen deep defensiveness, just posters taking the piss out of the unpleasant attitudes exhibited by some on this thread.

In the great scheme of things I wouldn’t get too stressed about it. My 82 yo father has only just had his first vaccine and I have friends in lower priority groups who were vaccinated weeks before he was. There will be variation, but each person vaccinated will hopefully reduce the risk for the rest of us. We all just have to be patient and put the blinkers on when it comes to judging others. Ultimately, it won’t do you any good.

I am neither a carer nor overweight and I think the OP is behaving like a twat. The vaccine priority list is based on those most likely to die/become seriously ill. The more people who are hospitalised, the worse it is for everyone. Everyone benefits, on a societal level, from the most vulnerable being vaccinated, even if it is just because they ‘can’t stop bloody eating’.

Also, when it comes to being obese, I do think there will be a shift towards taking more personal responsibility for our own risk factors, weight included. Obesity is a hugely complex issue, but even if those who can lose weight, then that’s a positive move. It was a wake up call for me certainly, as I had a bmi of just over 30. My bmi is now 24 and I hope to reduce it further, however I recognise that not everyone is able to make those changes so easily. We need to protect everyone who is a higher risk first and that includes people who are obese. They aren’t going to suddenly lose several stone or more in a matter of weeks so we need to protect them in the meantime.

what is your issue with carers? Many care 24/7 for disabled family members. Who do you think would do this of the carer falls ill.

I think you have probably been very lucky in life not to have such a caring responsibility otherwise you would not spout this vile stuff about.

As an obese carer who has just had the jab, I would like to ask the OP 'Will you look after my autistic child for me if I die? Will you book all their appointments and take them to them? Will you change their nappy several times a day, even though they are six? Will you take them to their therapy once a week? Will you be their punchbag when they are frustrated? Will you hold them when they have a meltdown? Will you liaise with their special school and the local authority to ensure they get the provision they deserve?'

I get £67.25 a week from the government for doing all the above, and much more. Less than £10 a day.

I'll take my vax, thx

Is that you, Ursula von der Leyen?

I’m a carer and fat!! Go me! :)

@Snowpatrolling

I’m a carer and fat!! Go me! :)

How do you even sleep at night