I met one of those "I'm not putting that in my body"

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people this week. I didn't think they really existed.

It was at a (virtual) networking thing. Professional people who are in a category where some LAs are vaccinating us and some aren't. Most people in the "room" had already had the vaccination, except this one very vocal woman.

An educated woman, 40ish, in a position of responsibility, working in a sector supporting vulnerable people (hence the access to vaccines). I've met her before and she always seemed very switched on, socially responsible and very capable in her role.

As I said, I thought these people were a bit of an internet myth, but if they did exist, I didn't expect them to be people like this.

Have you met any?

I'm one of 'those people' too. Let me finish the sentence (from my perspective):

I'm not putting that in my body... because I have autoimmunity, allergies and am not convinced that these vaccines are safe for me and won't have an adverse effect. I am not willing at this point to take it. This may change. Of course having Covid may also be unsafe, and I have factored this into my decision.

People are entitled to their opinion I suppose although if the vaccines significantly reduce transition then it's no longer only about themselves but everybody around them.
I've spoken to two people. The first said that she "didn't fancy it" but actually had hers yesterday and was quite happy about it so I suppose she changed her mind.

The other girl did make me a bit as she said "I can't get it as I definitely want more children a d it makes you infertile"

I don't mind people weighing up the risk and deciding against but when they take silly anti vaccine propaganda as gospel then that makes me sad.

@DdraigGoch but the effects and consequences of drugs, alcohol, junk food etc are known and therefore people make an informed decision (not sure why you assume those who don’t want the vaccine are happily putting them into their bodies- what is this based on?) The possible consequences of a vaccine this new is not yet known so people have the right to wait and see don't they?

Where does this infertility myth come from?

@chaosrabbitland, my biologist friend explained it this way:

Normally when developing something new in medical science, you have to go through many doors which are locked to you. You pass through the first door, but the next one has a sign on that says you can't enter until (list of requirements, all involving shedloads of money). Usually you have to wait at that door for months, because you have to apply for funding for that money to carry out those requirements, and that funding is hard and time-consuming to come by. And that happens again when you finally get that door opened but find another locked door ahead. And then another.

But those involved with the new vaccines found that as soon as they came to those doors, not only were they already unlocked, there was someone standing there opening it for them as they approached. And some were already wide open because they'd already fulfilled the requirements because their vaccine was built on a previous one.

So nothing was skipped. it just that they didn't have to wait to get funding. It was already there waiting for them.

The problem is people mistakenly think that it’s their business what other people put in their body.

We are not all one collective mind - and thank fuck!

I will have the jab as I work with pregnant women however I totally understand why it is still so necessary for people to have a choice . I do not want to go down the road of forced vaccinations.

If you go to a site like bitchute or brand new tube where the information you read is not heavily censored you will be able to find plenty of scientists, professors and Doctors giving an in depth “scientific” theory to all of these things you proclaim to be myths. You won’t though, if that I’m certain.

So just mentally think 'selfish idiot' and move on

@CrayonInThreeBits

Where does this infertility myth come from?

I think it comes from the fact that the trails didn’t involve pregnant women so they didn’t really know what the outcome would be and advised against it ... for the time being. Now it course pregnant women can have the jab

“I think it comes from the fact that the trails didn’t involve pregnant women so they didn’t really know what the outcome would be and advised against it ... for the time being. Now it course pregnant women can have the jab”

Nope, see above, the info’s there, you’ve clearly got the time.

Bet you my house you won’t though

I work in Finance. Every month I require some work from another team. To do that work that team first has to get various pieces of work from a number of other teams.

On a monthly basis nobody but me requires the data. Every month I have a nightmare getting the work. Every month it drifts later and later with various “would it be ok if we delay it by a couple of days as we are in the middle of....” requests. Half the time it is now into the next month still before I get the info I need.

Except in January. I got it on the 8th January. So exciting! So happy! A whole new world!

No. It just happens that the work I need also feeds into a hugely vital part of the Year End process. Suddenly it is a Priority. So it was prioritised over everything else by all the teams.

Was the End December data (that I received on 8th January) of lower quality than the End October data (that I received in early December). No. If anything it was better. Because it is suddenly such high profile it has been double checked by senior managers.

8th Feb tomorrow. Something tells me I am not going to get the February data.

I can quite see how the vaccine development process could be massively reduced.

Work done on a subject is generally proportionate to “how many people give a shit”. With a global pandemic - everyone does.

I do wonder about people who look at covid, the death rate (0.5%), long covid (10%), organ damage (?%) etc. Then look at the vaccines, sore arm for a day (90%?), mild flu like symptoms for a day or two (50%?) severe allergic reaction, NOT DEATH (0.00001%). They weigh all that up, and say... I'll go for covid.

Long covid- perfectly acceptable that it’s linked to covid, never doubted. Do everything you can to avoid it.

Long term side effects from a covid jab - impossible, ridiculous, unlikely, worth the risk.

@Thingstodotoday You are wrong. Pfizer vaccines did not get marketing authorisation. They got temporary authorisation. Get your facts right g0v.uk web site www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/conditions-of-authorisation-for-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine

Also the study will be over only in Jan 2023, so the vaccine is rushed.

@chaosrabbitland

yes i have and so what ,? . if they dont want to have a rushed vaccine then thats upto them really . none to sure i want it either

It's not rushed. 🤦🏻‍♀️ Have you looked at how they did it? They'd started making it years ago. Do your research.

Does "being a guinea pig" mean that I have to eat salad? I'm not sure that I'd be prepared to do that.

@Kendodd

I do wonder about people who look at covid, the death rate (0.5%), long covid (10%), organ damage (?%) etc. Then look at the vaccines, sore arm for a day (90%?), mild flu like symptoms for a day or two (50%?) severe allergic reaction, NOT DEATH (0.00001%). They weigh all that up, and say... I'll go for covid.

Misinformation - both your Covid data and the vaccine adverse reaction data.

To be honest, I’m meeting more “I don’t trust the vaccine” people than I am meeting ones who are willing to get it.

I don’t know why that is, but it’s driving me bloody insane. DD was on FaceTime with her boyfriend yesterday and he was going on about how it’s going to make everybody infertile, I had to leave the room.

@DdraigGoch

Does "being a guinea pig" mean that I have to eat salad? I'm not sure that I'd be prepared to do that.

I'm a guinea pig in a trial and salad is optional.

local beggar ex (or maybe still current) junkie bloke who I sometimes chat to is apparently now worried about what might be in the vaccine and caring that it might be harmful to his health

In 2018 is was STILL being reported on that the NHS workers who had severe life limiting side effects from the swine flu vaccine were still waiting for a pay out. Dozens of children had had their case won in the high court. The Government fought tooth and nail to stop and payouts.

This is in the news papers so it’s understandable that some people think ‘fuck that I’ll wait see what happens to you first...’

I don't know why some people keep insisting that this isn't really a new jab - of course it is; there has never previously been a successful human vaccine for SARs Cov 1: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/

(study above alerts to the issue of priming - look at other studies for more information.)

Having vaccines readily available is good. But this constant shaming of people who query anything do with vaccines eg how they are made, what are the chances of side effects etc is having a negative effect on people who just want to make decisions based on facts because it reduces the opportunity to have sensible conversations or debates.

Some people might have heard unsubstantiated rumours, but surely it is better to counter these with truthful facts, rather than belittle and bully them?

Just have it or don't have it and stop worrying about what other people put in their bodies!

@CrayonInThreeBits the infertility thing came about due to a very tenuous theory about the Covid spike protein being similar to a placental protein. Not only has it been debunked, if it were true, Covid infection would likely have similar effects

www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210112/why-covid-vaccines-are-falsely-linked-to-infertility

Recent data has also shown that a baby born to a woman who was vaccinated 3 weeks prior to birth was born with anti Covid antibodies. This is brilliant news.

Mm. I was prescribed a dangerous and harmful treatment for a chronic condition three years ago. Only this month has it has been removed from treatment protocol after further research.

There's definitely a risk/benefit analysis to be conducted - I don't think it's crazy to weigh the pros and cons and do some research.