I met one of those "I'm not putting that in my body"

[Toorapid]

people this week. I didn't think they really existed.

It was at a (virtual) networking thing. Professional people who are in a category where some LAs are vaccinating us and some aren't. Most people in the "room" had already had the vaccination, except this one very vocal woman.

An educated woman, 40ish, in a position of responsibility, working in a sector supporting vulnerable people (hence the access to vaccines). I've met her before and she always seemed very switched on, socially responsible and very capable in her role.

As I said, I thought these people were a bit of an internet myth, but if they did exist, I didn't expect them to be people like this.

Have you met any?

What a snob. This makes you come across very small minded and uneducated yourself!

As if all people of education have the same beliefs and views 🙄

You must have a teeny tiny life.

[quote Ethelfromnumber73]@Jsnn the Covid vaccines have not been 'rushed' - I'm sure you know this anyway but this explains how they have been produced quickly:

vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/covid-19-vaccines[/quote]
Sorry I shouldn't say rushed. I should say new. They are new vaccines still in their infancy. I have had every vaccine offered to me but I've never taken a vaccine the first year it's been approved and probably never will as long as I live.

Ah well.
One fewer in the queue ahead of me.

When people start ranting to me with bullshit theories and waste my time I usually just switch off and change the subject or walk off.
I have on one occasion said, I really don't give a fuck what you think and walked off but that was only under extreme duress. I am not normally that rude.
I live in Glastonbury - there are lots of them here. Quite happy to take hallucinogenic drugs of dubious origin but not the vaccine.

I am pro vaccine and think that it's necessary to have them, but that's not an uncomplicated decision.

Reading the components of the AZ vaccine, I can certainly understand why some people would have ethical concerns about it. It will be interesting to see how the US addresses those concerns if it's approved there.

I did initially feel like I didn't want it. But I think, pros and cons weighed up I will have it when I'm offered. Would the NHS give something potentially dangerous to the majority of the population? Unless there is an ulterior motive to wipe us all out, I don't think so!

@Jsnn are you always so rude to people, or is today special?

I’ve yet to meet one IRL. I think they are a very very vocal minority online, and very much on here. Everyone I know wants the vaccine ASAP.

No, but MIL told me that my DDs shouldn’t have the MMR. This was 19 years ago.

I don't think people should criticise others for thinking through what they put in their bodies.

I try to think critically about things and I am not a sheep

It does not make you stupid or dangerous.

It makes others feel better if we all do as we are told!

I will not be offered the vaccine as I am not old enough, yet.

Your body, your choice

@HappydaysArehere

My hairdresser was telling me just before the last lock down that she had no intention of having the vaccine as she was afraid it would affect her fertility and children were important to her. Recently I saw someone discussing fake news put about by apparently qualified people and that was one example she quoted. My feeling was that she could be compared with the parents who refuse childhood inoculations in the belief that if other children have them their children will be okay.

We should stop calling them antivaxxers and start calling them what they are: vaccine freeloaders.

[quote MrsHamlet]@Jsnn are you always so rude to people, or is today special?[/quote]
Sorry. I genuinely didn't mean to come across that way. The premise of this thread is rude i think. The premise of this thread is that anyone who doesn't want to take vaccine right now is not being rational. That's quite rude i think and i don't agree with it.

My apologies if I offended you, not my intention at all.

@chaosrabbitland

yes i have and so what ,? . if they dont want to have a rushed vaccine then thats upto them really . none to sure i want it either

And this is an excellent example of people having zero comprehension of how the vaccines have been made and why it is is they've managed to get them out in a faster timescale than usual! No experience; no understanding; no research.

If people choose not to have one so be it. Quicker roll out to those who will and those who refuse have to live with the extra risk they put themselves at.

@Jsnn
The premise of the thread may well be rude. But calling me a liar because I said something you didn't like was more rude.

My friend thinks I'm an idiot for being in a trial. That's her choice, just as it's mine to take a vaccine in a trial. I read all the material before I accepted a place, and I am confident that I'm doing something safe and potentially very useful. The vaccine is made with old tech - that is not a lie.

If people don't want to be vaccinated, that's their choice. I don't think people should be forced or shamed for their decisions in either direction.

chaos for someone who claims to know about the covid vaccine you seem to have missed the part that it wasn't actually rushed. It's that every other vaccine is so slow due to lack of funding and fewer teams working on it.

[quote MrsHamlet]@Jsnn
The premise of the thread may well be rude. But calling me a liar because I said something you didn't like was more rude.

My friend thinks I'm an idiot for being in a trial. That's her choice, just as it's mine to take a vaccine in a trial. I read all the material before I accepted a place, and I am confident that I'm doing something safe and potentially very useful. The vaccine is made with old tech - that is not a lie.

If people don't want to be vaccinated, that's their choice. I don't think people should be forced or shamed for their decisions in either direction.[/quote]
Sorry not to be offensive. Maybe lie is the wrong word. What you said was wrong and i already gave the reason which you didn't refute so I assume you understand now it was wrong. If you weren't aware then you were just mistaken and didn't lie and sorry I shouldn't have said lie, i should have presumed it was a mistake.

People can make their own decisions about it can't they. Sick of this pathetic shaming thing that people do these days.

I'm "one of those" people.

I'm also full time Carer to our disabled child. The only driver in our household. Also very "prone to allergic reactions/anaphylactic shock" (carry Eli pens everywhere).
Doesn't feel a smart choice fir me/for our family , though DP is considering it. Neither of us can afford to be hospitalised with Covid but from the limited info we have gleaned from trials I'd be at a high risk of reading badly... (again not an option for me to be out of action).
We have pretty much been in isolation since October, due to medical shielding if various family members.
I know many (well-educated) folks who also intend to decline this vaccine when their turn comes, I've not questioned or taken offence by their decisions, why would you OP?

@WhoWants2Know

I am pro vaccine and think that it's necessary to have them, but that's not an uncomplicated decision.

Reading the components of the AZ vaccine, I can certainly understand why some people would have ethical concerns about it. It will be interesting to see how the US addresses those concerns if it's approved there.

What ethical concerns are you referring to?

I read on here yesterday that people felt that vaccine information had been "done to death".

It clearly has not, as months on and people are still peddling this stuff about it being rushed.

People just don't like to change their minds, even when presented with better information.

I don't think it's fair to paint everyone who has reservations about the vaccines as crazy.

The AZ vaccine was developed using a cell strain (HEK293) which was initially harvested in the 70s from a human embryonic kidney.

Even though the cells of the original fetus aren't present in the final vaccine injection, not everyone will feel comfortable with a product that was developed through the use of human fetal cells.

@Jsnn
but these vaccines have been rushed and prior vaccines rushed previously have had widespread side effects discovered later.

Can you give examples of previous vaccines with widespread side effects that were discovered later? Genuinely interested in what you have to say, not being arsey.

When people say it’s rushed I’m pretty certain that you have the common sense to work out that they mean the whole picture?
It may have gone through the same tests but there is no long term analysis of side effects is there? Because that would be impossible wouldn’t it! So therefore I think “rushed” is a perfectly adequate word for civilians to use when speaking to each other.

@WhoWants2Know

I don't think it's fair to paint everyone who has reservations about the vaccines as crazy.

The AZ vaccine was developed using a cell strain (HEK293) which was initially harvested in the 70s from a human embryonic kidney.

Even though the cells of the original fetus aren't present in the final vaccine injection, not everyone will feel comfortable with a product that was developed through the use of human fetal cells.

I'd sooner take a vaccine to help fetuses growing inside their mothers today have a chance at a normal childhood to be honest. I've had a baby in the last year and all she's known is this sad little half life we've all been living.

It’s no surprise to me, look at the take up of other vaccines. Enormous amount of safety information available. I find it incredibly difficult to reconcile the fact that people specifically working with the vulnerable would decline the vaccine and hide behind various reasons. They could all be vaccinated but as it’s nowhere near 100% effective you’d be directly putting people at risk. I just don’t understand it