I met one of those "I'm not putting that in my body"

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people this week. I didn't think they really existed.

It was at a (virtual) networking thing. Professional people who are in a category where some LAs are vaccinating us and some aren't. Most people in the "room" had already had the vaccination, except this one very vocal woman.

An educated woman, 40ish, in a position of responsibility, working in a sector supporting vulnerable people (hence the access to vaccines). I've met her before and she always seemed very switched on, socially responsible and very capable in her role.

As I said, I thought these people were a bit of an internet myth, but if they did exist, I didn't expect them to be people like this.

Have you met any?

“Can you give examples of previous vaccines with widespread side effects that were discovered later? Genuinely interested in what you have to say, not being arsey.”

Is that a good enough reason? We have no evidence it’s been a problem before?

Is that how science works now? Try it and see 😂

If it is for you, take your vaccine but if it’s not for us them please, mind your own business.

@Dontforgetyourbrolly

Hold the front page : people have different opinions

Not all opinions are equally valid.

Its just the eqivilent of what Switzerland is doing regards not approving the astrazeneca vaccine until they have more data (from willing guinea pigs in other countries)

@PandemicPalava

Yes, my friend who is a teacher. She never takes any tablets and hates anything like that. As long as most people are vaccinated it won't matter

It matters to people with issues with their immune systems who actually can’t get vaccinated and are very vulnerable.

Who should stay home: them of the vaccine refusers? The latter, in my opinion.

“It matters to people with issues with their immune systems who actually can’t get vaccinated and are very vulnerable”

Are you actually one of these people or do you speak in behalf of all people?

We’ve had threads on here today where clinically vulnerable people say they still support no restrictions to people going forward so why are you acting as though you speak on behalf of these people?

Not all opinions are equally valid

And who gets to be the judge of that?

@Dodododahdahdah

When people say it’s rushed I’m pretty certain that you have the common sense to work out that they mean the whole picture? It may have gone through the same tests but there is no long term analysis of side effects is there? Because that would be impossible wouldn’t it! So therefore I think “rushed” is a perfectly adequate word for civilians to use when speaking to each other.

I do trust the people who live and breathe vaccine technology to know how vaccines behave; how long it takes for any side effects to materialise (usually days, apparently).

If i took a medicine, and then started to feel ill a year later, why would I assume for a moment that it was the medicine i took back then that caused it? I am not sure why people think like this about vaccines, but not about other substances we ingest, even Class A Drugs!

Some people inevitably will have a reaction to it. Just like some people are allergic to strawberries, or milk. But that is a quirk of their make up, not an inherent problem with the substance. And trials have not shown this to be an issue.

But why should anyone stay at home @Lalliella. If the ones who wanted to be vaccinated are then surely they are protected and luckily the majority of healthy individuals won’t suffer serious illness so will either get it and have immunity for some time . And by the way we don’t know how long it lasts for either or a small percentage will get poorly which won’t overwhelm the health service

Hettia

The opinion of someone whose life's work has been vaccine research, has a more valid opinion about the safety of vaccines than Mick from up the road.

Mind your own business what other people do. Seriously, just fuck off with your holier than thou interfering busy body mentality.

@Popsy321 to be fair you have summed up the crux of it for me!

There’s no point arguing really. There will always be people who don’t care what effect their decisions have on others, just like people drink drive etc. 10 million people in this country alone have had the vaccination with no serious issues discovered. Not to mention all those abroad, that’s good enough for me. I couldn’t forgive myself for giving covid to somebody vulnerable. Science doesn’t support that a vaccine that leaves your body within days will have side effects years down the line. If you worried about every tiny risk or ethical problem you’d literally never do anything. I’d also quite like to start living my life properly without constant restrictions as well

I’m one of “those people”.

I’m a slim woman in my early 30s. The risks Covid poses to me is realistically very, very small. I’ve had Covid already.

My issue is that the vaccines are still very new. I completely understand how and why the testing process has taken less time that usual, and I think it’s great that this has been achieved. However there hasn’t been enough time to see whether there are any longer term complications of the vaccine, for obvious reasons.

Right now, I prefer to wait and see what the longer term research says. I’m unlikely to be offered a vaccine soon anyway and I believe the risk Covid poses to me personally is very small. If I was higher risk, my decision may well be different.

Judge me if you like, but I think that says more about you then it does about me. Is the air thinner up there on your high horse?

*than

@Popsy321

Mind your own business what other people do. Seriously, just fuck off with your holier than thou interfering busy body mentality.

Yeah, there are limits to that when you're in a position to pass on a deadly illness to other people. Then what's 'your own business' is a lot harder to define.

My issue is that the vaccines are still very new.

They're not. They've been tailored to fit Covid but the vaccine technology existed and was in use.

Just like next time Toyota bring out a new car, it will still have the fundamental four wheels, and brakes and gears, but it will have been adapted to meet a particular specification. And it won't be quite the same as a Nissan or a Land Rover. But we and they know that the car will work just the same as all the other cars work, because they used existing knowledge.

My friend has declined her vaccine because it's been "rushed" and "god knows what's in it".

She vapes and "didn't actually know" the brand of her current HRT

Oh I thought it was said by a girl you had met at a party!

My hairdresser also said she won't be having it (or at least that was her intention when I last went).

She has the right not to have it, but I also have the right to choose another hairdresser, given that she's in about as close contact as possible for an hour and a half when she does my full head of foils and cut and blow dry.

“My hairdresser also said she won't be having it (or at least that was her intention when I last went).

She has the right not to have it, but I also have the right to choose another hairdresser, given that she's in about as close contact as possible for an hour and a half when she does my full head of foils and cut and blow dry.”

And unless she’s totally stupid, she probably wouldn’t have told you that if she cared.
Maybe she values her freedom over money.

They're not. They've been tailored to fit Covid but the vaccine technology existed and was in use

Prior to the pandemic, there were NO mRNA treatments licensed for use on humans.

What king term reactions from vaccination do you know about? Can you give an example?

so vaccines normally take years to be developed and covid ones have taken mere months , if thats not rushed then there must be something wrong with my maths , i expect people desperate to have will convince themselves of anything i guess
@chaosrabbitland most of the development time in pharmaceuticals is spent waiting. Proposals sit around waiting for funding, waiting for approvals. Covid vaccines have had huge amounts of resources thrown at them, staff redeployed from other schemes and they've been bumped to the front of the queue for approvals rather than festrering in someone's in tray. A lot of these vaccines were already in development before anyone had heard of covid, they were tweaked from developing vaccines designed for other conditions like SARS. That hasn't compromised their safety, they've still gone through all of the same testing and approval processes which everything else goes through, they just have been kept at the top of the pile for resources.

What did you expect us to be like.
Some people just aren't willing to be ginea pigs, they'd rather wait behind the millions who are desperate for it.

Maybe you don't know many, but surely there are lots of people that carefully consider what they put into their bodies?
@TravellingTilbury when many of the people in question are quite happy to put into their bodies things which are known to do harm to them (drugs, alcohol, junk food) or carry a risk of going wrong for no appreciable benefit (cosmetic fillers), I highly doubt that these people are very careful with their bodies.