Covid deniers are scumbags

lovemirage · 06/02/2021 20:58

I am not sure what to think about covid. I don't know anyone who have had it. They say there has been loads of cases here. I have been good and followed rules but not sure if it's worth it.

Remmy123 · 06/02/2021 20:58

Yeah - same as lots of diseases and viruses - can kill some not others. Not worth getting so het up about it.

Schonerlebnis · 06/02/2021 21:03

Yeah only 100,00 plus died. Not that much to bother about. No sweat

SaltyTootsieToes · 06/02/2021 21:04

While I wouldn’t have used that particular word, I do agree with you.

Remmy123 · 06/02/2021 21:15

@Schonerlebnis well apparently more people have died of cancer - but, no sweat.

soditall56 · 06/02/2021 21:15

@BlueFlyAway

I was reading a thread here on mumsnet that made me cry so much and it hammered home just how serious the virus is. Young people seriously sick in hospital and dying. It's bad at any age and I lost a second cousin before her time due to covid but its particularly bad when it's hitting younger people.

The virus never came directly to my door but I know it's real. I am hating the restrictions and the lockdown so much but I'm following the public health rules all the same but I am finding it hard but I don't intentions of breaking the rules.

People who play this virus down as if it's nothing - covid deniers - they are scumbags. I know the virus can be mild for some people but it's not for everyone.

I completely agree! It drives me insane when the less vulnerable peoples answer is let us get on with things and leave the vulnerable isolating... what kind of life is that for those in the last years of their lives? Why don't we all just have a bit of compassion and stop being so selfish!

Devlesko · 06/02/2021 21:22

Tbh, I've heard them all, but haven't heard anyone deny covid exists.
I think a lot of people question rather than just believe propaganda, it doesn't make them deniers, anymore than those not wanting the vaccine being anti vaxxers.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 06/02/2021 21:26

I disagree.

I'm not a Covid denier, I know it exists but on a personal level I'm not scared. I go by logic and statistics. I'm at an absolutely miniscule risk from Covid. I do follow the rules to protect other people but if someone told me I could go back to normal tomorrow I would. If that makes me a "scumbag" I'll take it.

buffyp · 06/02/2021 21:32

That works both ways sodi. People who want to deny the fact that suicide rates have risen due to lockdown are every bit as selfish. The fact is there are casualties of the lockdowns including cancer diagnosis being missed and treatments being suspended. People losing their livelihood and their homes. These are just as important and pointing that out does not make someone a Covid denier or scumbag. I’m sorry for the ops cousin but I find the use of the word scumbag highly offensive and I am afraid they are more guilty of fitting their own description than any lockdown sceptic.

Jane10000000 · 06/02/2021 21:38

I saw one last week, he was on oxygen and couldn’t even speak full sentences. But, constantly on his phone texting and reassuring his friends that he is fine. His wife was sitting beside him in full PPE and crying. It’s all so sad and heartbreaking.

inquietant · 06/02/2021 21:48

Covid deniers are incredibly frustrating, and minimisers too.

My view is they have problems facing up to the reality, so I don't consider them scumbags, they are just sadly mistaken.

Even though I'm personally pretty low risk from the worst effects, I can understand the risks from covid to others.

PurpleWh1teGreen · 06/02/2021 21:58

100,000 reasons to agree.

DirtyDancing · 06/02/2021 22:06

@lovemirage

I am not sure what to think about covid. I don't know anyone who have had it. They say there has been loads of cases here. I have been good and followed rules but not sure if it's worth it.

Isn’t this the whole point of following the rules. So. people don’t get covid.

BoKatan · 06/02/2021 22:09

I'm not a Covid denier. I know people who have died / been left with long Covid who were previously fit and well.

I'm not anti lockdown. I get that it's the only way.

Buuuuuut, I'm seriously fed up with the attitude on here from a set of posters who seem to tarnish anyone who raises concerns about the effects of lockdown as "granny killers" and "Covid deniers."

Lockdown is killing people. There's no getting away from that. It will continue to kill people long after Covid has just become another endemic cold because of the damage done to the economy and missed diagnosis.

But apparently the world is black and white now so we're not allowed to talk about it

SpringIsComingAlways · 06/02/2021 22:16

I think that they are either a little dumb or struggling to face up to 100,000 deaths...

Nuggetknuckles · 06/02/2021 22:46

A lot of people claiming are still claiming they are taking "educated calculated risks" in regards to justifying their disregard to lockdown rules.
It's not a calculated risk, it's a risk, and unfortunately it doesn't just affect those individuals. I think some still feel that their interpretation of the rules to suit their own needs won't be a problem, it will be others who are the cause of virus spread.

Simply can't understand why people are just not listening to those who deal with the result, as in hospital staff. It's tragic the stories you hear from those whose family member also took " a calculated risk", i.e . ignored lockdown rules, and paid the worst price.

All the apparent one offs/ won't do any harm all build up to a national problem. Personally I find it bizarre that people are prepared to take such risks to their own personal health. Some of the examples given on MN and elsewhere beggar belief.

We are all extremely lucky that we aren't living in genuine full lockdown with curfew and martial law. People would really understand lack of genuine freedoms then.

stilllovingmysleep · 07/02/2021 07:25

@lovemirage

I am not sure what to think about covid. I don't know anyone who have had it. They say there has been loads of cases here. I have been good and followed rules but not sure if it's worth it.

@lovemirage I imagine it occurs in clusters in different areas. In my area every second person has Covid. Many I know (from work and life) have died from it and many have long Covid. Others have had it more manageably.

I'm not sure though what you mean when you say "you don't know what to believe"? Do you only believe exactly what you see with your own eyes? What about journalism and science?

stilllovingmysleep · 07/02/2021 07:26

@Devlesko

Tbh, I've heard them all, but haven't heard anyone deny covid exists. I think a lot of people question rather than just believe propaganda, it doesn't make them deniers, anymore than those not wanting the vaccine being anti vaxxers.

@Devlesko what "propaganda" do you mean?

stilllovingmysleep · 07/02/2021 07:27

@Waxonwaxoff0

I disagree.

I'm not a Covid denier, I know it exists but on a personal level I'm not scared. I go by logic and statistics. I'm at an absolutely miniscule risk from Covid. I do follow the rules to protect other people but if someone told me I could go back to normal tomorrow I would. If that makes me a "scumbag" I'll take it.

@Waxonwaxoff0 it's not personal though. It's an infectious disease.

stilllovingmysleep · 07/02/2021 07:28

@buffyp

That works both ways sodi. People who want to deny the fact that suicide rates have risen due to lockdown are every bit as selfish. The fact is there are casualties of the lockdowns including cancer diagnosis being missed and treatments being suspended. People losing their livelihood and their homes. These are just as important and pointing that out does not make someone a Covid denier or scumbag. I’m sorry for the ops cousin but I find the use of the word scumbag highly offensive and I am afraid they are more guilty of fitting their own description than any lockdown sceptic.

@buffyp suicide rates have not increased actually. I work in an NHS service where we focus on suicide and that is a lie peddled around

I'm not saying people are not struggling. Of course they are, it's a pandemic. But suicides have not gone up. In fact what we are seeing more than anything else is grief grief grief from bereaved families and many ill people

stilllovingmysleep · 07/02/2021 07:30

@BoKatan

I'm not a Covid denier. I know people who have died / been left with long Covid who were previously fit and well.

I'm not anti lockdown. I get that it's the only way.

Buuuuuut, I'm seriously fed up with the attitude on here from a set of posters who seem to tarnish anyone who raises concerns about the effects of lockdown as "granny killers" and "Covid deniers."

Lockdown is killing people. There's no getting away from that. It will continue to kill people long after Covid has just become another endemic cold because of the damage done to the economy and missed diagnosis.

But apparently the world is black and white now so we're not allowed to talk about it

@BoKatan how is lockdown "killing people"?

I hate lockdown, why would I like it. But how is it "killing people"?

yahyahs22 · 07/02/2021 07:31

I've had it and it wasn't that bad. Young and some health issues.
The numbers don't scare me. They add ANYONE who has had it at least 28 days before they die. So, if someone had terminal cancer and dies in hospital but got a positive test just before, its marked as a covid death (I know of one personally)
Do I think its sad when people die? Of course! I miss my family members who have passed greatly. Do I think covid is as bad as the media say? No. Not a chance.

Shelovesamystery · 07/02/2021 07:53

When you say covid deniers do you mean people that actually deny that covid exists or people that haven't fallen for the media scaremongering and are able to be rational about covid? Because the latter are not covid denyers.

GCAcademic · 07/02/2021 08:02

The numbers don't scare me. They add ANYONE who has had it at least 28 days before they die. So, if someone had terminal cancer and dies in hospital but got a positive test just before, its marked as a covid death (I know of one personally)

Not quite. They include anyone who dies within 28 days of a positive test. So those many people who have been hospitalised with COVID for weeks before dying are not included in the stats.

stilllovingmysleep · 07/02/2021 08:18

@yahyahs22

I've had it and it wasn't that bad. Young and some health issues. The numbers don't scare me. They add ANYONE who has had it at least 28 days before they die. So, if someone had terminal cancer and dies in hospital but got a positive test just before, its marked as a covid death (I know of one personally) Do I think its sad when people die? Of course! I miss my family members who have passed greatly. Do I think covid is as bad as the media say? No. Not a chance.

@yahyahs22 that is just inaccurate. What you are saying is not true and I think such misinformation needs calling out

The ONS figures are very clearly based on death certificates where covid is the main contributing cause of death

There is simply not truth to the claims of "dying with Covid rather than of Covid" unless you are saying that those who write death certificates are committing fraud in a widespread way, in which case you could wonder "why" and also offer evidence. There is none.

Also I want to add. Anyone who dies from, say, cancer will also die from something else in the end eg won't be able to swallow or breathe or their heart or liver will fail. That doesn't mean cancer isn't the cause of death.

Same with Covid