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Covid deniers are scumbags

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BlueFlyAway · 06/02/2021 20:52

I was reading a thread here on mumsnet that made me cry so much and it hammered home just how serious the virus is. Young people seriously sick in hospital and dying. It's bad at any age and I lost a second cousin before her time due to covid but its particularly bad when it's hitting younger people.

The virus never came directly to my door but I know it's real. I am hating the restrictions and the lockdown so much but I'm following the public health rules all the same but I am finding it hard but I don't intentions of breaking the rules.

People who play this virus down as if it's nothing - covid deniers - they are scumbags. I know the virus can be mild for some people but it's not for everyone.

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stilllovingmysleep · 07/02/2021 09:24

@ChocOrange1 no you didn't. I did, as I think they are good ideas to "balance out" the negative effects of lockdown cycles and drive down Covid numbers

What do you think about such measures?

ChocOrange1 · 07/02/2021 09:33

[quote stilllovingmysleep]@ChocOrange1 no you didn't. I did, as I think they are good ideas to "balance out" the negative effects of lockdown cycles and drive down Covid numbers

What do you think about such measures?[/quote]
I would certainly be in support of stricter border controls and a better track and trace. It's pretty woeful, in my opinion, that the government didn't get these things sorted in the first lockdown.

I don't even have a problem with lockdown in principle, although you clearly think I do. I don't think the world is as clear cut as "pro or anti lockdown", or as clear as "covid deniers or taking covid very seriously". Most people are a shade of grey in between.

What I have an issue with is the government continuing to do lockdown after lockdown which don't work long term on their own, and are not a long term solution, without changing the way they do it. In fact, better border controls, better track and trace, better enforcement of quarantine in conjunction with a short lockdown would be great. But they haven't done that they've just done another damaging long lockdown.

Watchingbehindmyhands · 07/02/2021 09:36

@buffyp

The fact is there are casualties of the lockdowns including cancer diagnosis being missed and treatments being suspended. People losing their livelihood and their homes

If we had allowed covid to move through the population unchecked, this still would have happened. I don’t get why people don’t understand that? The issue is not the disease itself, it is the overwhelming of the health service coupled with, if left unchecked, the disease ripping through staff of essential services. Food shortages because lorry drivers not moving food around, supermarkets open for shorter hours because of staff off ill, problems with gas, electric, water would have gone unfixed, no one to deliver a new appliance or fix a boiler. In a worst case scenario, all this would lead to civil unrest and the deployment of the armed services onto the streets.

To understand that there is a bigger picture is not to deny that some people have been badly hit by covid without having the disease itself.

stilllovingmysleep · 07/02/2021 09:37

@ChocOrange1 totally agree with all your points

ChocOrange1 · 07/02/2021 09:37

And while I would be in support of certain measures, other would not and that is a valid opinion as well.

110APiccadilly · 07/02/2021 09:37

The people who made restrictions which have stopped my elderly, now dying, relative from ever meeting my daughter are scumbags. Tell me I'm wrong, I dare you.

Unescorted · 07/02/2021 09:40

@yahyahs22

I've had it and it wasn't that bad. Young and some health issues. The numbers don't scare me. They add ANYONE who has had it at least 28 days before they die. So, if someone had terminal cancer and dies in hospital but got a positive test just before, its marked as a covid death (I know of one personally) Do I think its sad when people die? Of course! I miss my family members who have passed greatly. Do I think covid is as bad as the media say? No. Not a chance.
As of yesterday - 112,092 people died within 28 days of a positive test. 112,660 have died with Covid listed as a cause of death.
thefallthroughtheair · 07/02/2021 09:40

There are very few 'Covid deniers', just as there are very few who think we're ruled by lizards.
There are some who, rightly, consider that there are costs to non-pharma interventions that ought to be discussed in a measured way. This is particularly the case where a disease primarily affects the old and the intervention primarily affects the young.

stilllovingmysleep · 07/02/2021 09:43

@ChocOrange1

And while I would be in support of certain measures, other would not and that is a valid opinion as well.
@ChocOrange1 of course everyone has opinions and every opinion can be aired and then debated- sometimes robustly

Not all opinions are fact based of course and they then need calling out (with fact based arguments not swearing). Eg lies about vaccines

In terms of the best responses to Covid and pandemics, it's of course very complicated and never easy. But after a year I believe there is much that can be learnt. Certain policies have worked better than others

I can of course not implement any of the things I believe. I can just argue for them that's all

tigger1001 · 07/02/2021 09:49

*how is lockdown "killing people"?

I hate lockdown, why would I like it. But how is it "killing people"?*

Domestic violence reports have risen considerably during lockdown.

Lockdown may be a necessary evil, but let's not pretend that it does not also cause harm.

HaveANiceFuckingDay · 07/02/2021 09:59

I've met one who says wake up and open your eyes it's just the flu
He says that even though his FIL Died of covid late last year Confused
Went in with sepsis , tested positive for Covid and died , they put covid on the death certificate not sepsis
He believes its Something to do with being a cashless society?? That doesn't even make sense
I gave up listening last summer

SpringIsComingAlways · 07/02/2021 10:00

What I don't understand is why anti lock down people assume that if we didn't have lock down people with cancer would get treatment and live....they wouldn't sincectge NHS would be even more snowed under Confused
Why do others assume if we don't have restrictions then it would be all over by now 🤔
It's about managing the numbers so there are enough... doctors nurses etc etc to treat those that need help....
The ones that moan about restrictions never have any viable alternatives though

stilllovingmysleep · 07/02/2021 10:00

@tigger1001

*how is lockdown "killing people"?

I hate lockdown, why would I like it. But how is it "killing people"?*

Domestic violence reports have risen considerably during lockdown.

Lockdown may be a necessary evil, but let's not pretend that it does not also cause harm.

@tigger1001 who is pretending it doesn't cause harm?

It's awful.

As are many treatments for illnesses (they have often serious side effects)

But let's not pretend the illness doesn't exist. That is I think the main point

SpringIsComingAlways · 07/02/2021 10:01

@HaveANiceFuckingDay

I've met one who says wake up and open your eyes it's just the flu He says that even though his FIL Died of covid late last year Confused Went in with sepsis , tested positive for Covid and died , they put covid on the death certificate not sepsis He believes its Something to do with being a cashless society?? That doesn't even make sense I gave up listening last summer
I think we have to remember that some people are just thick, nod and walk on by...science, facts and logic bypass them
Neron · 07/02/2021 10:05

suicide rates have not increased actually. I work in an NHS service where we focus on suicide and that is a lie peddled around
This is a joke right?

Arobase · 07/02/2021 10:05

This article demonstrates that some covid deniers are indeed rancid scum:
www.theguardian.com/books/2021/feb/06/ive-been-called-satan-dr-rachel-clarke-on-facing-abuse-in-the-covid-crisis

Arobase · 07/02/2021 10:08

There's someone on my Twitter feed who is very vocal about this. It started out as genuine worries about having to wear a mask, with which I could be reasonably sympathetic, but she is now absolutely rabid about pushing the agenda that you don't have to wear a mask/stay at home or take any other precautions because covid either doesn't exist or is being massively exaggerated. She goes on about every report about covid restrictions and vaccinations as if they were designed to upset her personally.

I should block her but there is a strange fascination in waiting to see what nonsense she comes up with next.

Fembot123 · 07/02/2021 10:10

[quote Arobase]This article demonstrates that some covid deniers are indeed rancid scum:
www.theguardian.com/books/2021/feb/06/ive-been-called-satan-dr-rachel-clarke-on-facing-abuse-in-the-covid-crisis[/quote]
Those people are disgusting, doesn’t mean the OP has seen anything like that on MN.

Neron · 07/02/2021 10:11

Official figures on suicide rates are published by the Office for National Statistics (ONS). However, as we have written before, there is often a delay on this data as all suicides must be investigated by a coroner, and it often takes around five months to hold an inquest before the death can be registered. This means, the ONS says, we “do not currently know the total number of suicides that occurred during the pandemic”

fullfact.org/health/suicide-lockdown-increase-nadine-dorries/

penguinpostcard · 07/02/2021 10:11

Just saw this posted on Twitter...

Covid deniers are scumbags
tigger1001 · 07/02/2021 10:13

@stilllovingmysleep I was replying to someone who asked how lockdown is killing people. There are plenty who do honestly believe lockdown doesn't do any harm.

RedMarauder · 07/02/2021 10:13

@Neron

suicide rates have not increased actually. I work in an NHS service where we focus on suicide and that is a lie peddled around This is a joke right?
No I've actually seen statistics about it from reputable academic sources

Also talking to the people I know who work dealing with mental health those, on average, with known problems seem to have better coping mechanisms than others in the population.

stilllovingmysleep · 07/02/2021 10:14

@Neron

suicide rates have not increased actually. I work in an NHS service where we focus on suicide and that is a lie peddled around This is a joke right?
@Neron no it's true. There are clear statistics. We receive them at work monthly
stilllovingmysleep · 07/02/2021 10:16

@Neron by the way I don't mean people are not struggling. They are.
From grief
From long illness
From being stuck at home
From not seeing friends

But in times of trauma actually suicides don't go up - historically that's been the case and it is the case now too

It is the next year I worry about