Covid deniers are scumbags

[BlueFlyAway]

I was reading a thread here on mumsnet that made me cry so much and it hammered home just how serious the virus is. Young people seriously sick in hospital and dying. It's bad at any age and I lost a second cousin before her time due to covid but its particularly bad when it's hitting younger people.

The virus never came directly to my door but I know it's real. I am hating the restrictions and the lockdown so much but I'm following the public health rules all the same but I am finding it hard but I don't intentions of breaking the rules.

People who play this virus down as if it's nothing - covid deniers - they are scumbags. I know the virus can be mild for some people but it's not for everyone.

@Northpole23

We need perspective Covid exists but so does life and many other illnesses and dangerous diseases. The government has. Failed big time in the U.K.

This is the point we are all ignoring when we are debating.

The UK government has screwed up big time.

@stilllovingmysleep

I have said above and will say again; there are many problems due to lockdown. I have even describe what we have seen in our service. I have been following these stats each month and what i say is not a "bullshit claim" or lie. I believe there might be an increase in the future but so far we have seen different problems becoming prevalent, not suicide attempts

You can read the BMJ article above for evidence

I am not saying all this to annoy anyone nor to deny the real problems of the situation we are in. Just to explain what the actual evidence on the ground is. I work for many years in a service with exactly this focus.

You said child abuse had not increased..to your knowledge.

@stilllovingmysleep. You wrote

To my knowledge drug and alcohol abuse are not on the increase during lockdown, nor is child abuse

Which is untrue. Suicide stats have still not been published as there is a lag in confirmation of suicide deaths.

You may work in a hotspot with many covid deaths so you’re seeing all these people suffering through grief. Many parts of the country have fewer proportional deaths but everyone is struggling with lockdown. I’m not denying covid is causing deaths and misery. To deny that lockdown is causing issues to many many people is naive or disingenuous. For children and young people, they are considerably more at risk from lockdown that covid which is why so many people have spoken out. It is not to deny covid exists.

@Snookie00 I have never- not in this thread and nowhere else- denied that lockdown is hard and causes problems

I have explained my thoughts as openly as I could so I can't really add much more

As for the statistics you can see an article above which reflects what we are seeing on the ground in the areas you refer to, and I've also described as best I could what I've learnt and noticed this year

[quote stilllovingmysleep]@Snookie00 I have never- not in this thread and nowhere else- denied that lockdown is hard and causes problems

I have explained my thoughts as openly as I could so I can't really add much more

As for the statistics you can see an article above which reflects what we are seeing on the ground in the areas you refer to, and I've also described as best I could what I've learnt and noticed this year [/quote]
Your acceptance that it is hard is not in question, your denial of raised levels of child abuse and drug/alcohol abuse is.

Well that is based on the evidence I have from my work and the stats this year @Fembot123 I'm not saying it to spite anyone

The thing that has increased hugely this year which I've mentioned above involves school attendance issues / withdrawal of children from school

@stilllovingmysleep

Well that is based on the evidence I have from my work and the stats this year *@Fembot123* I'm not saying it to spite anyone

The thing that has increased hugely this year which I've mentioned above involves school attendance issues / withdrawal of children from school

So your work supersedes that of the NSPCC? And

While the BMJ article cited earlier rightly warns of the risk of increased suicides and argues for close monitoring of emerging data it also makes it clear that there is no evidence of it to date in England.

Nevertheless, a reasonably consistent picture is beginning to emerge from high income countries. Reports suggest either no rise in suicide rates (Massachusetts, USA11; Victoria, Australia13; England14) or a fall (Japan,9 Norway15) in the early months of the pandemic. The picture is much less clear in low income countries, where the safety nets available in better resourced settings may be lacking. News reports of police data from Nepal suggest a rise in suicides,12 whereas an analysis of data from Peru suggests the opposite.10

It is probably also worth remembering that any increase in alcohol deaths in 2020 will in the main have been due to illness that pre-dated the pandemic.

Exactly, as you cited @PurpleWh1teGreen The evidence so far shows no evidence of the widespread suicide increase people claim

There is a possibility it may happen in the future and historically it is usually after traumatic periods that these things get worse

That is what we have been seeing this year and I have worked throughout

I’m not referring to suicide rate.

Anyway. I don't want to insist further, as people clearly have their own ways of seeing things and understanding them

I offered my views, based on experience this year, no one has to agree really.
Others may argue differently

@stilllovingmysleep

Anyway. I don't want to insist further, as people clearly have their own ways of seeing things and understanding them

I offered my views, based on experience this year, no one has to agree really.
Others may argue differently

Yeah, The NSPCC for one 😂

Low intelligence not scumbags.

@m0therofdragons

Low intelligence not scumbags.

I think a lot of the real deniers might be so scared their mind switches off reality to protect them 😁

I wouldn't call anyone scumbag.

But it isn't the 'deniers' that is the really bad group of people regarding COVID in this country.

That accolade is with the tory govt and the people who answer pollster that they would vote for them again.
Idiots, and risks to everyone in the country.

@Pan2

I wouldn't call anyone scumbag.

But it isn't the 'deniers' that is the really bad group of people regarding COVID in this country.

That accolade is with the tory govt and the people who answer pollster that they would vote for them again.
Idiots, and risks to everyone in the country.

👌

IT's not that covid deniers are scum (though some may be) it's that they are ignorant to a degree incredible in a western country with free education. It takes some effort to get to adulthood knowing and understanding so little.

For many their real education was finding youtube and facebook where people who knew big words told them what to think and told them they were part of something special.

They'd never felt special before so they bonded with fruitcakes and scammers who wanted their clicks for advertising revenue and their paypal donations.

Covid deniers, Anti-vaxxers, Flat Earthers, Qanon and people who get abducted by aliens. They are all essentially the same

@Pan2

I wouldn't call anyone scumbag.

But it isn't the 'deniers' that is the really bad group of people regarding COVID in this country.

That accolade is with the tory govt and the people who answer pollster that they would vote for them again.
Idiots, and risks to everyone in the country.

You are so right. If Boris hadn't invented covid with his home biology kit we wouldn't be in this position;

While the BMJ article cited earlier rightly warns of the risk of increased suicides and argues for close monitoring of emerging data it also makes it clear that there is no evidence of it to date in England.

The article cites research by people at UofM, and they found that the post-lockdown suicide figure in England was 7.3% higher than in the equivalent period in 2019 in several areas of the country, with 9 million people (16% of England). So, there's been an increase. And, yes the evidence they looked at doesn't show a widespread increase, but then it wouldn't anyway, would it, with such a small picture looked at?

@buffyp

That works both ways sodi. People who want to deny the fact that suicide rates have risen due to lockdown are every bit as selfish. The fact is there are casualties of the lockdowns including cancer diagnosis being missed and treatments being suspended. People losing their livelihood and their homes. These are just as important and pointing that out does not make someone a Covid denier or scumbag. I’m sorry for the ops cousin but I find the use of the word scumbag highly offensive and I am afraid they are more guilty of fitting their own description than any lockdown sceptic.

The suicide story is a youtube/facebook fantasy so your credibility is strained a bit. You shouldn't just trust everything you are told on social media. Don't believe me either. Look it up properly.

there are very few who think we're ruled by lizards.

Bugger. You mean we aren't? I have spent the last year breeding locusts in an attempt to ingratiate myself.

they are ignorant to a degree incredible in a western country with free education
Really? Given rising illiteracy rates, cuts in education, and an agenda that seems more interested in formulaic learning and compliance rather than education and thinking, you are surprised people can't think? There's plenty of evidence on this thread alone of people who can't think, can't evidence what they say, deny evidence that is presented, think anecdotes are evidence, and resorts to name calling if people don't agree with them. That is the result of the "free education of a Western country". To be fair, it's often the result of a paid for education too. As evidenced by most of the front bench.

@DownstairsMixUp in my hospital this week we have a 19, 23 and 4x 43 year olds. The rest are over 50 but not all 80 plus. We’ve had some young ones die really unexpectedly too. It’s so unpredictable.

Should have said these ages were from Thursday.