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Captain Sir Tom Moore: Cleric's apology for tweet condemning nationwide clap 'does not undo hurt'

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trulydelicious · 04/02/2021 13:21

news.sky.com/story/captain-sir-tom-moore-apology-for-tweet-condemning-clap-for-captain-tom-does-not-undo-hurt-12208212

It's worrying how some can harbour so much hate and still be allowed to hold a position in the Church (and fuel division through Twitter)

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trulydelicious · 04/02/2021 14:25

@MonkeyNotOrgangrinder

If you disagree, say so politely instead of vilifying someone

This 'priest' has vilified those who are white and British, yes

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Hoppinggreen · 04/02/2021 14:25

@Theunamedcat

It has nothing to do with colour and everything to do with respect he could have been a gurka and I would still have gone out and clapped and I'm not someone who claps often he polarised a nation he was a man in the right place at the right time he boosted spirits at a time when we needed it why didn't this religious man do the same? He didn't he pushed hate and intolerance to the front again
If he was a Gurka do you genuinely believe he would have been treated the same?
AwaAnBileYerHeid · 04/02/2021 14:26

Why did he need to mention colour? We all know folk love to misconstrue take things out of context so let me ask this; what would have been the response if the word 'white' had been replaced by 'black'? As in black cultish nationalism.

Thesearmsofmine · 04/02/2021 14:26

I don’t disagree with him either. Captain Tom did a lovely thing and I am sure he was a very nice man.
However a lot of this hero worship that we are seeing is being pushed by right wing groups, I’ve seen talk of taking the knee for him etc. He fitted with their narrative, white, elderly, respectable, fought for his country.

Tal45 · 04/02/2021 14:27

I didn't clap yesterday but he is implying that those that did are racist which is pathetic IMO.

MonkeyNotOrgangrinder · 04/02/2021 14:27

[quote trulydelicious]@MonkeyNotOrgangrinder

If you disagree, say so politely instead of vilifying someone

This 'priest' has vilified those who are white and British, yes[/quote]
Why are you putting priest in inverted commas? I suppose because you know he's c of e not catholic.
And I can't see anything wrong with vilifying white nationalists tbh.

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trulydelicious · 04/02/2021 14:28

@AwaAnBileYerHeid

what would have been the response if the word 'white' had been replaced by 'black

He would have been burnt alive

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reformedcharacters · 04/02/2021 14:29

@Hoppinggreen

Certain Right wing groups/individuals Some groups Pretty sure that’s not me judging everyone the same.
You said you didn’t see any inaccuracies in what he said yet this man made a sweeping judgement on a race of people based on you think was down to a few groups/individuals. I’d say you are therefore agreeing with his sweeping judgement.
Tal45 · 04/02/2021 14:30

He didn't say 'it's terrible that Capt Tom's name is being used by certain right wing groups to push their agenda'. That I'd have no problem with, instead he chose to tar everyone with the same brush which is just plain wrong.

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trulydelicious · 04/02/2021 14:30

@MonkeyNotOrgangrinder

Why are you putting priest in inverted commas

Because anyone who does this is not a spiritual leader - it doesn't matter what religion

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titchy · 04/02/2021 14:31

[quote trulydelicious]@Comefromaway

Pretty accruate I'd say

Would people like you feel the same if it was a white priest saying this about a prominent figure with a different racial background?

I don't think so

There would be uproar and statue toppling galore

Shameful[/quote]
If the different racial background was the dominant one in the country then yes.

You do understand he didn't actually call Capt Tom a nationalist don't you?

MonkeyNotOrgangrinder · 04/02/2021 14:31

[quote trulydelicious]@AwaAnBileYerHeid

what would have been the response if the word 'white' had been replaced by 'black

He would have been burnt alive[/quote]
Black nationalism = not really a thing in the UK
White nationalism = definitely a thing

Glenchase · 04/02/2021 14:32

And I can't see anything wrong with vilifying white nationalists tbh
But he didn’t vilify white nationalists. He implied that everyone who shows respect to Captain Sir Tom is a white nationalist. Which is blatantly not the case and it’s discriminatory to imply that.

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trulydelicious · 04/02/2021 14:32

@Thesearmsofmine

white, elderly, respectable, fought for his country

Is there anything inherently wrong in your view with someone who fits this criteria?

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MonkeyNotOrgangrinder · 04/02/2021 14:33

[quote trulydelicious]@MonkeyNotOrgangrinder

Why are you putting priest in inverted commas

Because anyone who does this is not a spiritual leader - it doesn't matter what religion[/quote]
Who are you, the archbishop of Canterbury or something? Not really your decision, is it 🤔

titchy · 04/02/2021 14:33

@reformedcharacters

I’m baffled how showing appreciation for somebody who raised an astronomical amount of funds for the NHS could possibly be viewed as ‘white British Nationalism’, was it only white peoples who were grateful?
If capt Tom wasn't white and wasn't former forces there wouldn't have been this huge outpouring of grief.

Can anyone remember the name of the Sikh chap of similar age who also fund raised a shitload? No, didn't think so.

titchy · 04/02/2021 14:34

@Theunamedcat

It has nothing to do with colour and everything to do with respect he could have been a gurka and I would still have gone out and clapped and I'm not someone who claps often he polarised a nation he was a man in the right place at the right time he boosted spirits at a time when we needed it why didn't this religious man do the same? He didn't he pushed hate and intolerance to the front again
If he was a Gurkha you wouldn't have even remembered his name.
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trulydelicious · 04/02/2021 14:34

@titchy

If the different racial background was the dominant one in the country then yes

Do you think if a race is prevalent somewhere it's acceptable to attack those with that racial background?

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WagnerTheWehrWolf · 04/02/2021 14:35

If he was a gurkha he'd have made page 6 of his local newspaper. Once.

Velvian · 04/02/2021 14:36

He definitely has a point. The whole situation around this is in extremely poor taste when so many have died alone and unremarked upon. NHS and Care workers who had no choice about putting themselves in danger.

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trulydelicious · 04/02/2021 14:36

@titchy

If capt Tom wasn't white and wasn't former forces there wouldn't have been this huge outpouring of grief

The Captain is mourned for all the good actions he did and the example he set. You are full of prejudice I'm afraid

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titchy · 04/02/2021 14:37

[quote trulydelicious]@titchy

If the different racial background was the dominant one in the country then yes

Do you think if a race is prevalent somewhere it's acceptable to attack those with that racial background?[/quote]
No one has attached Cap Tom or his supporters. Just pointed out that calls for a 6pm clap/state funeral etc all feed into a white nationalist rhetoric.

reformedcharacters · 04/02/2021 14:37

Captain Tom was one of many exceptional fundraisers, his popularity was due to his age and limited mobility and if you think it was anything else you should check yourself.

Racism is rife on this thread @MNHQ should throw it in the bin.

titchy · 04/02/2021 14:37

[quote trulydelicious]@titchy

If capt Tom wasn't white and wasn't former forces there wouldn't have been this huge outpouring of grief

The Captain is mourned for all the good actions he did and the example he set. You are full of prejudice I'm afraid[/quote]
The name of Sikh chap is...... no googling.

Oh you don't know. Wonder why.

Coffeeandaride · 04/02/2021 14:39

Clapping for Captain Tom is not white british nationalism.

He was wrong to conclude it was. It was pointed out. He apologized. It's been deleted. The Church don't stand by his comment.

I think the worst thing is the backlash over this. He can have an opinion. Can people not apologise and then move on?