Some restrictions likely next winter to protect unvaccinated?

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www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/19062056.social-distancing-continue-next-spring-expert-warns-vaccines-will-not-stop-coronavirus-cases/
www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/19062056.social-distancing-continue-next-spring-expert-warns-vaccines-will-not-stop-coronavirus-cases/

The emphasis in these discussions by Dr Hunter suggests "some" restrictions next winter--most likely not a strict lockdown. The concern here is that we may continue to see some outbreaks among the unvaccinated. Just wondering how much appetite there is likely to be for this. I find it hard to muster much motivation about protecting those who have chosen to refuse the vaccine. On the other hand, we have to consider those who are not able to have the vaccine and may be made very ill from it.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow especially if that staff member who refused to work with an unvaccinated individual had a disability of some sort.....

Well guess if they can’t have a vaccine they must have some sort of disability. And disability is a protected characteristic.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow

Butt the myth between vaccines and autism has been debunked.“

It has, well and truly. My husband mentioned today though, that he’s at it again in the US peddling his poison (Wakefield, not my husband . Fact that he’s been struck off here doesn’t seem to deter some there from listening to him.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow

They could just terminate all contracts and re-employ of course.

Not very ethical.... but neither is being selfish and not having the vaccine”.

In the circumstances I believe it’s entirely ethical to put the well-being of their residents first.

@donquixotedelamancha

Children must receive a properly tested and approved vaccine. You will.create chaos if you push something through in a dodgy way - many will refuse.

The issue won't be effectiveness or safety in children- it would not be hard to show those two in the normal way.

The issue is efficacy. Children very rarely get severe Covid 19 so it's very difficult to say that even the mild side effects of the vaccine are worth it for such a small risk reduction. We don't give medicines to individuals unless they have reasonable benefits to them- public health alone is not enough.

Would you not say the flu vaccine given to kids is for public health alone though? Genuine question by the way.

My child has inflammatory bowel disease. He knows that because of this, careers in the armed forces are not an option. He didn't choose to have IBD, but still he accepts the situation. If a child of 13 can accept that some careers are barred to him for reasons not of his own making, how can some of these fully grown adults behaving like toddlers not accept that yes, they are free to choose, but there are some consequences to those choices, for the good of all of us? Nobody is going to tie you down and jab you without your consent, but if you don't consent, accept the limitations. Would you accept a surgeon who refused to wash their hands before operating? A pilot who wanted to get drunk before flying? Of course not, because other people's safety has to trump the freedoms of those individuals. If you want to be permanently pickled, fine, but you can't be a pilot!

You can all bleat all you like but it’s not your decision.
What will be, will be.
I’m pretty certain I will be able to cope no matter what happens.
Today I and 15% (although that figures probably made up like everything the papers print) of the Country choose not to vaccinate and today that’s legally allowed and we are employed.
Waste your lives being righteous, seeking validation on here, being angry and pretending to have a crystal ball if you choose but please remember the moral of the story:

The article linked by the OP is utter bullshit. Anti vaxxers do not want “protecting”

@Moneyfornothingkerbsforfree. I'm glad you feel YOU will cope if you get COVID. Jolly good, and let's hope you're right. Do you not feel even a shred of reponsibility or altrusim towards those who might not? Can you not understand how selfish you are being? No bleating here, and no seeking of validation. Just science, and common decency.

I meant I’d be alright if I got sacked from care work.
However I’ll be alright if I got Covid too.
Unfortunately I can’t spend my life worrying about everyone else getting ill. In case you have forgotten there are billions of other viruses and diseases presumed contagious and I’m pretty sure you or I have never spent more than 5 seconds thinking about what our own involvement may be in the sharing and spreading of these so called “germs”.
If I had your beliefs and behaved as I do then maybe I’d be selfish. But you and I, we’re not even on the same page.

Moneyfornothing.... no foreign holidays for you lot according to the news today.....

This is just the start though.

If people aren’t seeing the direction of travel here, they’re very naive.

What I’ve realised is that we live in a World where people are absolutely terrified of the only certainty there is.. death.
I refuse to buy into that way of thinking. I’m 40, I’m happy, I’m healthy, I love my Son, I love my family. Do I want to die? Of course not! Will I waste my time here obsessed with the fear of death. No.

P.S -Written my someone who had health anxiety and fear of death until about two years ago! Will I plunge myself back to where you are again? Never.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

Moneyfornothing.... no foreign holidays for you lot according to the news today.....

This is just the start though.

For crying out loud, can you read properly? Some people on here may believe what you just posted and get really anxious.

You’re coming act really childish, goading about holidays 🙄 plus it’s one article, get a life, seriously.
If you took the trouble to get to know someone that is passionate about not having the covid job you will realise this is in inconvenience for us but it’s not going to make me have the jab.

money I don’t understand why you can’t see that the issue isnt really about you getting sick/dying.

It’s about community transmission, pressure on the hospital system and protecting those people who cannot be vaxxed for medical reasons.

That’s your issue. That is not my issue.

Between all the people I know who won’t vac with covid jabs, most have a breaking point.
Some will break if they can’t go on holiday.(some of my colleagues)
Some will break if they can’t go into
Shops / find any work and keep their children fed and warm anymore (me)
Some would rather perish than be bribed into this (my mum)

In your quest to be right, in your fear of dying, you are willing a world of tyranny and restriction of freedom into place.

I can only pity you for the fear you must feel to want this.

That’s your issue. That is not my issue.

The government and the industry you work in will be making it your issue.

If you do work in care homes, don’t you care that you might transmit Covid to someone who can’t get a vaccine or it doesn’t work on?

You’d think you would.

In your quest to be right, in your fear of dying, you are willing a world of tyranny and restriction of freedom into place

Oh fgs, are you practicing your apocalyptic literature style for a course or something? Save us the dramatics.

I’m not afraid of dying and Covid is of very little threat to me personally.

But I can see quite clearly that lockdown is a shit way of life and vaccination (of all adults who are able) is the only way out.

Or what do you suggest? Living like this forever?

I may sound harsh but surely care home workers and health workers who refuse to be vaccinated should not be allowed to do these jobs? As they endanger others. It should be a prerequisite.

I agree with this. Those who don't have the vaccine are also in danger themselves. They should be moved to lower risk activities. It would be harsher to lock residents up with no access to their loved ones.

Care home workers should acknowledge the need for a holistic approach, it's important to keep residents safe, but it's also important to enable visitors and maintain a good quality of life for residents.

‘A world of tyranny and restriction of freedom in place’

😂😂😂😂😂

I think you’ll find having the jab grants you all the freedom you need actually. You’re choosing your own little world of restriction and tyranny. No one else is. Congratulations on your choice,

The same apocalyptic literature that you are all goading with in here? 😂
Not being allowed in shops etc. I’m simply using the same things your suggesting!

No, no I don’t think I’ll give it to someone. I don’t believe in asymptotic spread. I think it’s utter BS. We’ve had zero cases in staff of clients in nearly a year. Like I told you, our clients haven’t even been vaxxed. On that note, goodbye 👋

No, no I don’t think I’ll give it to someone. I don’t believe in asymptotic spread. I think it’s utter BS.

Ok, so you know better than all the scientists and medical types working on this. Seriously? Don’t you see how much this undermines your position?

Waits for frothing about fear and acceptance of death and other dramatic bollocks

@Moneyfornothingkerbsforfree you've got your thinking all muddled. Your mum would rather perish than have the vaccine? Why? I mean, what a strange hill to proclaim she wants to die on. I'm not bathed in gloom, doom and destruction, actually. I want the vaccine because I want all of us to be able to go back to a life of good health and freedom. Not because I have extreme health anxiety (I don't, never have had). You're coming across as very hotheaded and defensive of your entrenched position but you haven't told us why you got into it in the first place. Is your mum a scientist? What do you and she know that the rest of us don't? I assume you're up to date with other vaccines and it's just this one you have a problem with? Or do you think it's sheer good luck we no longer die of diphtheria, smallpox etc??

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

‘A world of tyranny and restriction of freedom in place’

😂😂😂😂😂

I think you’ll find having the jab grants you all the freedom you need actually. You’re choosing your own little world of restriction and tyranny. No one else is. Congratulations on your choice,

You're talking more alarmist crap.