Some restrictions likely next winter to protect unvaccinated?

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www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/19062056.social-distancing-continue-next-spring-expert-warns-vaccines-will-not-stop-coronavirus-cases/
www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/19062056.social-distancing-continue-next-spring-expert-warns-vaccines-will-not-stop-coronavirus-cases/

The emphasis in these discussions by Dr Hunter suggests "some" restrictions next winter--most likely not a strict lockdown. The concern here is that we may continue to see some outbreaks among the unvaccinated. Just wondering how much appetite there is likely to be for this. I find it hard to muster much motivation about protecting those who have chosen to refuse the vaccine. On the other hand, we have to consider those who are not able to have the vaccine and may be made very ill from it.

This is old news, as others have said.

And did you not read the part of the article where he said that some cases and deaths will be of people who’ve had the vaccine?

@megletthesecond

I'm fully expecting restrictions next winter. Ideally a long school Xmas holiday in the middle of it. The thing will mutate again if we aren't careful and our government haven't been careful once so far.

And this - I agree.

Too many people are still ignorant of the reality we are in - the risks are:

A) the vaccine is not 100% effective anyway (although they are very good)
B) variants variants variants = vaccine escape?

Take a deep breath, read the science, we are moving forwards but this is not a simple situation.

@Beaniecats

We didn't elect Whitty or his cohorts Hopefully the government will take advice from other quarters before the economy is down the path of no return if it isn't already

"I don't like these facts, get me alternative facts!"

@Beaniecats

We didn't elect Whitty or his cohorts Hopefully the government will take advice from other quarters before the economy is down the path of no return if it isn't already

Do you think the government should not be making covid containment policy based on scientific advice then?

I mean there might be a worry about cavalier approach to the economy and the needs of business in some political parties, but this government is Tory !

ChocOrange1

My baby is 10 months and never had a cold - that's not normal.

I'm torn between sympathy and envy , but agree with you.

Children must receive a properly tested and approved vaccine. You will.create chaos if you push something through in a dodgy way - many will refuse.

The issue won't be effectiveness or safety in children- it would not be hard to show those two in the normal way.

The issue is efficacy. Children very rarely get severe Covid 19 so it's very difficult to say that even the mild side effects of the vaccine are worth it for such a small risk reduction. We don't give medicines to individuals unless they have reasonable benefits to them- public health alone is not enough.

From the stats they showed last night the incidence of serious illness from covid in children is low. Perhaps they see the value of vaccination for them as being minimal.

that owners of care homes are going to keep visiting restrictions in place indefinitely even for residents who are fully vaccinated and their visitors fully vaccinated, in order to protect careworkers who refuse to be vaccinated. cart before horse, i think.

That is ridiculous. If care staff refuse to be vaccinated, then they can't do the job.

I appreciate that some people cannot have the vaccine for health reasons, and they need to protect themselves/be protected. By that I mean given financial help if they need to shield etc. But no way can the whole country be expected to carry on with restrictions to protect people who REFUSE the vaccination.

Whilst it might be appropriate to have some restrictions next winter (pretty much only due to variants), I do think we are at risk of massively overdoing them because people have become familiar with them.

People unable to get a vaccine due to health reasons will be in quite small numbers - we would never have had any population-wide restrictions to protect these people from flu and other ailments before covid so why would we need to behave any differently because it’s covid?

Our attitude to risk has massively skewed due to covid, and a large portion of our population are unnecessarily terrified thanks to the high drama of it all. Hopefully when the drama dies down people will become a bit more relaxed about their personal safety and the need for endless restrictions.

I'm still dealing with this winter. I'm not going to get my knickers in a twist about what might happen in 9-12 months time.

I'm expecting restrictions next winter, but stuff them if it's because people have chosen not to have the vaccine. Not sure whether I agree with vaccine passports, but in those circumstances then maybe everyone whose had the vaccine or is exempt should get one.

I had a couple of months when I felt reluctant to have mine, but once I got my head around it I was ok - in fact, I unexpectedly qualified through work, leapt at it and was there at 7.05 the next morning to have it.

People doing certain types of care work need to have the vaccine as a requirement for employment.

And I’m all for vaccine passports, to be used for all kinds of things.

I'm expecting restrictions next winter, but stuff them if it's because people have chosen not to have the vaccine

Yep. Very few people are on board for that.

If children aren't vaccinated then it's always going to spread in schools. Particularly winter term.

I think care homes should publish 'numbers of staff not vaccinated' that would hit them in the pocket, they would sack those staff or not employ the refusers otherwise no income coming in!

It's way too early in Feb 2021 to try to predict what will be happening in Feb 2022.

I will be extremely surprised if anyone follows any restrictions by the end of this year. From what I’ve seen in real life, the appetite for lockdown and restrictions has massively waned in my area. Peoples mental health are taking a tumble, even those that haven’t experienced mental health issues before.

I think there’s been too much fear and hysteria around it all, there’s only so long people can live with that level of anxiety before they snap and say enough is enough, we don’t care anymore.

@ChancesWhatChances

I will be extremely surprised if anyone follows any restrictions by the end of this year. From what I’ve seen in real life, the appetite for lockdown and restrictions has massively waned in my area. Peoples mental health are taking a tumble, even those that haven’t experienced mental health issues before.

I think there’s been too much fear and hysteria around it all, there’s only so long people can live with that level of anxiety before they snap and say enough is enough, we don’t care anymore.

Yep people are mixing because they’ve had enough but that won’t stop the government closing premises and schools

@User133847

If children aren't vaccinated then it's always going to spread in schools. Particularly winter term.

It’s for teachers to be vaccinated not children

velemoncurd

I think care homes should publish 'numbers of staff not vaccinated' that would hit them in the pocket, they would sack those staff or not employ the refusers otherwise no income coming in!

Would that apply to the care home I work in?
We have a 30 strong team looking after young adults with autism.
Only 2/3 of staff have chosen to be vaccinated.
Problem With your theory is that half of the parents that we care for believe their children were vaccine injured.
Obviously you Mumsnetters will know more about that than them and their lives and what they’ve seen with their own eyes, because of the 15 mins of your life you have spent reading Government propaganda though.

Anyhow, until the Government were to make any changes in the law. 1/3 of the staff and half of the clients will stay unvaccinated.

@Toocold

This is also just one persons opinion, the government will have to look at how it will impact the economy, they won’t just be listening to one scientist.

I agree with that. It's easy for an academic to talk about 'restrictions' but he's not the one making the decisions, which will be based on a lot more than professors who, however expert, have a very narrow focus.

I also think some of these academics are desperate to get themselves in the news and we all know doom and gloom is the best way to achieve that. It's only February. Let's get through the next few months before worrying about what might or might not happen next November.

I can almost envision a two tier care home situation where the expensive ones have vaccinated and tested staff. And cheap ones where anything goes.

Well the young and non- vulnerable have had to sacrifice no school, no college uni etc, being locked at home etc so I wouid expect those vaccinated to do the same.

If people are unvaccinated through choice then I think they have to accept the risks and choose alternative employment if they are putting others at risk. You can't hold the whole of society hostage because some people are too special to be vaccinated. Those who can't be vaccinated are a completely different case and deserve protection.

Those who can't be vaccinated are a completely different case and deserve protection.

To what extent though?

There have always been people at higher risk of certain infectious illnesses than others, but we don't ask the general public to restrict themselves on their account. Covid is a mild illness for most, and if cases are low enough to ensure that the hospitals aren't going to be overwhelmed, isn't this just one risk among many?