Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

[Covidcovid]

She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

@DumpedWife
God you've been through so much. One day at a time, it's all you can do. Going with the flow is a good plan for now. Things will change.

@DumpedWife

[quote trulydelicious]@Webbetal

The government is using this as an opportunity, along with a number of Western countries to do what they want with their slogan 'build back better'i recommend googling it and seeing who honed that slogan and what they want to do

I respect immensely the work that you and your colleagues do.

However, 'build back better' is driven by the globalist left, not the Tories[/quote]
@trulydelicious Hello! Yes, well, that's what you'd think but I think you'll find that Boris has had this slogan behind him a few times and there are pictures of matt Hancock with Claus schwab and documents on government website about the fourth industrial revolution. All very much a globalist view point and almost lifted from WEF website.

@DownstairsMixUp I don't blame you for leaving, I really don't. People do not understand the cost of lives from closing economies down. They will when the life expectancy of their children as they grow older is way below the average age of 83 of people dying from covid. It's crass but it's true. And people need to understand. 'just' missing education for a few months is nothing, they have not been told the implications of this on every aspect of a young person's life both immediately and with long lasting effects. Nice to know someone's on the same page as me. 😊

Which pandemic have you lived through? Because I’m getting on for 70 and this is the first one I’ve seen

@VinylDetective I think you misread my post, I said I have lived through recessions not pandemics. I said:

"I m old(ish) and have lived through recessions and like pandemics, they always end. Admittedly I know this one will be the worst of my lifetime, but hyperbole helps no-one."

@Webbetal

I think it's implausible regarding Boris - if he said it, he probably meant something else (this is my opinion, obviously I may be wrong)

'Build back better' seems to apply better to some posters on this thread (the OP leading the pack) who egg on others to ignore the rules so as to create chaos and anarchy and break the status quo. Only then their gang can rise to the top can start profiteering. Mission accomplished.

It's just a replay (on a global/wider more coordinated scale) of events that occurred 100 years ago, were the cause of a lot of deaths and suffering and did not end well.

@namechangeforthis24

Which pandemic have you lived through? Because I’m getting on for 70 and this is the first one I’ve seen

@VinylDetective I think you misread my post, I said I have lived through recessions not pandemics. I said:

"I m old(ish) and have lived through recessions and like pandemics, they always end. Admittedly I know this one will be the worst of my lifetime, but hyperbole helps no-one."

Apologies. You’re right I did misread it. How embarrassing!

I do wish people would stop only focusing on the risk of death, which we all accept is very low for people under the age of 80, for those without underlying health issues.

I'm suffering from long Covid, I have done for 10 months. I'm 51, admittedly obese, and I also have poor mental health, PTSD as a result of childhood SA. I also have two adopted DDs of 11 and 8 who certainly have struggled under lockdown. (Thankfully, they've been offered places in school; adopted children are included in the list of vulnerable children, which is a vast improvement on the last lockdown.)

I don't like lockdown, it's hard on my DDs and my DH was off work with stress after WFH for months, with me unwell and our DDs at home. But I also want the R rate to come down and I'm hopeful that with the roll out of the vaccine we'll be able to go back to some form of normality.

And no, I don't buy this conspiracy nonsense where Boris is concerned. He hates all this, hence why he always delays making decisions regarding Covid restrictions restrictions. His backbenchers are pressuring him to open schools fully in early February.

I have had a busy day, despite lockdown. Posted earlier in the day, come back many hours later and some posters are still posting minute by minute, along the same lines.

I note that the posters who are certain that everyone is going down the pan as a direct result of lockdown are apparently living on Mumsnet.

I respectfully suggest you would not find lockdown so difficult if you used your time sensibly and didn't indulge unhealthy internet addictions. There are other things to do, even at home. Lockdown does not have to equal sitting in a chatroom arguing. That would get anyone down.

@shindiggery

Brilliant post!

@trulydelicious we all have different opinions on this 😊 nice to have an adult discussion about it though rather than warping into name calling (tin foil hat wearing loon etc). I personally find it implausible that Boris doesn't know what he's doing. He is an intelligent man, though he would like to fool us otherwise and I do think there is something to be said for the phrase 'hiding in plain sight!' I must say, I hope your view turns out to be right, I'm sure we will find out soon.

@Mittens030869 I'm sorry you have been unwell. Viruses can unfortunately have significant lasting effects on our bodies though I don't say this to minimise your experience or anyone else who is experiencing issues following covid. Merely to point out that it is not only covid that causes lasting effects. In relation to 'conspiracy nonsense' I would like to say that I haven't called your opinions nonsense, it's an inflammatory remark and unnecessary. Its not conspiracy if the thing exists and is documented in our parliamentary legislation. I would also like to say that we don't know what Boris Johnson is feeling. He is a politician and I've always been taught to never trust a politician! I truly do hope you get better soon and that your family members start to feel less anxious as spring comes and days aren't quite so dark and cold 🙂

Jangle33 Sat 23-Jan-21 08:03:51
FFS I couldn’t be friends with her after that. As a nurse she should know better.

Totally Agree. Very selfish and ignorant.

I don't think a lot of people understand how a virus works and mutates. The more hosts the more it can mutate. It could get more lethal to all ages who knows, and as this new one has shown, easier to catch. The common cold killed Native Americans as they had never been exposed to it so really we are lucky we're not all dying! I guess because its a corona virus and we have all been exposed to other ones??? So have some immunity? Not a scientist........

Mittens030869

(Thankfully, they've been offered places in school; adopted children are included in the list of vulnerable children, which is a vast improvement on the last lockdown.)

Why??? Surely they are the same as natural children? Why on earth are they more vulnerable. They are your children? (perhaps fostered might be as from a difficult situation) DD is a secondary teacher and I don't want her to have unnecessary numbers in her school!!!!!! More risk to me then and I'm over 60. Can someone explain why adopted children are any more vulnerable than natural please? Sick of people misusing schools as free childcare and abusing the system. Just because someone can send them doesn't mean they should, think of others.

Also 'long covid' sounds just like ME to me, which comes on after a virus too. Just a new name?

Your friend is an idiot just stay away from her and her risky behaviour

Unless E.on pull their finger out and sort out the security breach thats causing pre pay customers electric to be cut off, a lot of people will have to break lockdown and move in with relatives.

I dont blame your friend. Many people are at breaking point, including me. The cure is worse than the disease and what is worse is that many countries are back to normal now.

@WiseUpJanetWeiss

If the infection rate is not driven down over the next few weeks the vaccination programme will fail. The virus will continue to spread and mutate and we’ll be still in this situation next winter. Similar advice was given to the government in September, which they chose to ignore, and look where we are now.

It’s not just an issue of Covid deaths - it’s the inability of the health services and other critical services to function properly if at all that should concern the people who have decided to ignore lockdown. If you need an ambulance now for a real non-Covid emergency you may not get one soon enough. If you need cancer surgery you may not get it soon enough. If Covid cases increase again this will only get worse.

The government’s handling of this has been shambolic from start to finish. They have ignored the science and lied to the public. They have prioritised their rich mates over individuals who can’t afford to self isolate and have driven us into this appalling mess. Their policies are incoherent and cruel. Their messaging woefully inadequate.

And they have managed to drive a wedge between those of us who are “pro-lockdown” (we hate social distancing but we know it’s our only way out) and those of us who are well past the end of our tether and really suffering.

Well done Government.

its one of the oldest political tricks in the book . get the public blaming each other to cover governments own failings . one thing I notice the date when things started open on June was BJ birthday and way lock day happened later at xmas , so BJ could spend time with his family over xmas . if remember rightly he went to his second home after hospital , stuck up for old pal DOM too .

I think the government is going to lose faith in its leader and the public lose faith in the government . when lock down is applied and appleid again going back to the flu pandemics, it has ended socially. its not a race against the virus , its race against before that happens .

I totally agree with the pp who said that the people who seem to be happy with lockdowns are the ones living surrounded by their families with their lives revolving around them,whereas the ones who live alone and rely on outside social interaction with friends are not so happy with it. I am in the latter category,and to be honest,I am getting to the end of my tether. Anyone who does break the rules by visiting or meeting up with their friends or family has my full sympathy. People aren't being 'naughty' or 'disobedient',they are just behaving like a human beings.

Good for her!
I’m doing the same.

Sick of people misusing schools as free childcare and abusing the system. Just because someone can send them doesn't mean they should, think of others

Who are you to berate someone for taking up a school place they have been offered and accuse her of abusing the system? You know nothing about her circumstances.

People are really enjoying the power trip.of being morally superior. Boris must be absolutely chuffed that we're all turning on each other instead of holding his government to account

Im a single person in a risk category.
I have had to endure lockdown and isolation since last March, alone.
My mum died last May. Although I was able to attend a ridiculously small funeral for her, I have been grieving alone since.
Its extremely difficult.
Your friend may well be at the end of her tether.
I know the feeling.
But until we've given the vaccination a chance I don't think I will be putting myself or anyone else at risk thanks.

@Webbetal
Very well said

@amispeakingenglish

As a nurse with a safeguarding background, I can assure you that children who are adopted are significantly more vulnerable in nearly every aspect of their lives even when adopted into loving homes. You clearly have not got any knowledge about the research relating to the impact of schools on children like this which is fine and expected given that it's a specialised area. However, don't then go on to berate people with that lack of knowledge underpinning your opinion.