Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

[Covidcovid]

She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

I just feel we've all done our best to stick with this, and another 2 months or so we will all have had at least our first jab, what's the alternative, have we just to let this run riot and take even more of our loved ones.

For myself I have my only grandchild in America I'm longing to see again, she was 10 mths last time they visited, my daughter is 10 mins away from me but I stick to seeing her on zoom, everyone has had to sacrifice and its not easy nothing worthwhile ever is easy, please everyone stick with it, what's it now a few week till we're all vaxinated, don't give up at the last leg we've all done so well up to now, don't waste all our efforts now.

All this blaming - ‘if you take a risk and break the rules it’s your own fault’ is so ridiculous, but sadly so much part of human nature.

It reminds me of the Chris Morris satirical sketch on Good AIDS vs Bad AIDS. Those who have contracted it through a blood transfusion have good aids and those who caught it through unprotected sex, especially gay sex, have bad aids.

We really don’t learn to we?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=f3xUjw2BCYE

Good for her OP. I don’t blame your friend and will be joining her once the elderly and vulnerable have been vaccinated.

The sooner everyone shuts the fuck up, does as they are told, and in the end gets vaccinated, the sooner we can get back to some form of normality!!!!

Or not..
For pathogens that inflict greater morbidity at older ages, interventions that reduce but do not eliminate exposure can paradoxically increase the number of cases of severe disease by shifting the burden of infection toward older individuals

@numberoneson I’m genuinely sorry for your loss and can appreciate your strong feelings but I can also appreciate people in different circumstances feelings too. I have a work colleague who’s son committed suicide during the first lockdown. Unfortunately he couldn’t “grit his teeth” and now he has grieving family too. I think people are in very different circumstances but are not necessarily idiots because of how they feel and act.

When hospital admissions go down a lot I'll join her

This was always about the nhs

Recently it seems we have switched to prevention of all cases which is madness IMO

Schools going back is my priority after hospital admissions.

[quote HerculesMuligan]All this blaming - ‘if you take a risk and break the rules it’s your own fault’ is so ridiculous, but sadly so much part of human nature.

It reminds me of the Chris Morris satirical sketch on Good AIDS vs Bad AIDS. Those who have contracted it through a blood transfusion have good aids and those who caught it through unprotected sex, especially gay sex, have bad aids.

We really don’t learn to we?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=f3xUjw2BCYE[/quote]
So. Much. Yes.

Some of the things that people have decided are valid risks for coronavirus are also about as likely as the 'Someone could come in with a machine gun and cut you up and your blood could go into someone's mouth', too.

I will continue to follow the rules because I am shit scared of being ill never mind dying! I just hope that when we have a GE people will remember the sheer incompetence of this government who, because they have been too late to do everything, have caused this unbearable situation.

[quote HerculesMuligan]@Paapa Off topic but weirdly I’m really similar to you about driving! I have my licence by rarely drive as I just can’t get my head around how I could be in charge of a machine than can kill people.[/quote]
Are you me?! (I was also instantly reminded of the Good Aids Bad Aids Brasseye ep. when the corona judgement started!)

Re the driving, weirdly I don't judge others for driving about everywhere. Do you?

@Paapa
@HerculesMuligan

Totally on the money you pair

Thanks for the support, @lockdownshmockdown , and all the others.
It's slow progress, but we will defeat the Stacies.
(There will come a point when they'll deny that they ever supported lockdowns....).

'When I talked to people about this, they looked at me like I was mad, and replied 'But we can't go around thinking like that - people have to get about, don't they!? We can't ban cars. You just hope it doesn't happen to you'. The are now all staunch believers in the Church of Covid, firmly believing that they might have coronavirus, all of the time'

Look your anxiety/incompetence at driving is not really comparable to the actual risk in a pandemic. It's a bit of an irrelevant Stacy yarn isn’t it.

I've no idea what this 'Church of covid is' you're on about. Another made up story? I also don't believe i have 'covid all the time' but the fact is rates are high and to reduce transmission restrictions need to be adhered to. The inconvenient truth for you and your odd little cheerleaders.

They certainly will. They'll namechange and they'll start threads about national debt and children with mental health problems and why didn't we see this coming blah blah.

@Paapa

Thanks for the support, *@lockdownshmockdown* , and all the others. It's slow progress, but we will defeat the Stacies. (There will come a point when they'll deny that they ever supported lockdowns....).

Snide lot, aren't they?

How everyone is just swallowing this stay the fuck at home is beyond me. We have been told to stay at home on and off for nearly a year. Just wait till we have a vaccine then it will all be ok. Last week we had vaccinated more people in the country than have caught coronavirus since it started and the R rate for the country was between 0.8 and 1. So now the narrative has changed and we must now be scared of a new variant that spreads more quickly and could cause more deaths. Matt Hancock said today we are a long long long way from the end of lockdown. How can we be with 5 million vaccinated it will be a few weeks before the NHS sees less deaths but unless they are lying to us. In a few weeks there will be no justification for this numbers of infections are coming down due to lockdown yes but months more of this is not needed. To start banding around in the press May June Septemer is ridiculous. There does come a point where we will have to question this narrative. Not from the point of a conspiracy but because it's just easier to keep everyone locked up than take the risk of any more mistakes.

I've no idea what this 'Church of covid is' you're on about. Another made up story?

Hmm. I assumed that your struggle to understand the concept of everywoman Stacy was disingenuous, but now I'm not so sure.

Do you think I'm referring to an actual Church of Covid, which people attend?
Do you often struggle with metaphors, analogies and the like?

Was it also you who didn't really understand the concept of moral panic, or was that another poster?

We have to remain in lockdown because the NHS is stretched to busting, and cases from the days of really high transmission are still arriving.

And even though the drop in new cases is such a big move in the right direction, the number of cases is still far too high.

We need to keep R below 1 until the numbers shrink to the point when we can come off Alert 5. Vaccination should facilitate this.

But the very worst thing that could happen now is an 'armistice wave' - because the current start point (over 30k positive tests a day) is concerning whilst hospitals are already full

@tootiredtospeak

How everyone is just swallowing this stay the fuck at home is beyond me. We have been told to stay at home on and off for nearly a year. Just wait till we have a vaccine then it will all be ok. Last week we had vaccinated more people in the country than have caught coronavirus since it started and the R rate for the country was between 0.8 and 1. So now the narrative has changed and we must now be scared of a new variant that spreads more quickly and could cause more deaths. Matt Hancock said today we are a long long long way from the end of lockdown. How can we be with 5 million vaccinated it will be a few weeks before the NHS sees less deaths but unless they are lying to us. In a few weeks there will be no justification for this numbers of infections are coming down due to lockdown yes but months more of this is not needed. To start banding around in the press May June Septemer is ridiculous. There does come a point where we will have to question this narrative. Not from the point of a conspiracy but because it's just easier to keep everyone locked up than take the risk of any more mistakes.

Yes, @tootiredtospeak

@tootiredtospeak

How everyone is just swallowing this stay the fuck at home is beyond me. We have been told to stay at home on and off for nearly a year. Just wait till we have a vaccine then it will all be ok. Last week we had vaccinated more people in the country than have caught coronavirus since it started and the R rate for the country was between 0.8 and 1. So now the narrative has changed and we must now be scared of a new variant that spreads more quickly and could cause more deaths. Matt Hancock said today we are a long long long way from the end of lockdown. How can we be with 5 million vaccinated it will be a few weeks before the NHS sees less deaths but unless they are lying to us. In a few weeks there will be no justification for this numbers of infections are coming down due to lockdown yes but months more of this is not needed. To start banding around in the press May June Septemer is ridiculous. There does come a point where we will have to question this narrative. Not from the point of a conspiracy but because it's just easier to keep everyone locked up than take the risk of any more mistakes.

We're also going to be keeping up border restrictions and controls because of the danger of a new vaccine resistant variant.

Few people seem to have realised the long term implications of this....

The driving analogy makes the point that there is risk in nearly everything we do. We all balance the risk of everything we do day to day, and there are lots of shades of grey.

But when it comes to Covid it seems some people are so focused on trying to eliminate the risk completely even at the expense of mental health etc. I’m not even 100% anti-lockdown, but I do focus on the bigger picture: which is that through not commuting In central London, not being able to go to gigs, restaurants etc I’ve probably reduced my contacts with others by 80%. I refuse to get het up about reducing things any more to further reduce the risk.

@Paapa Some of the things that people have decided are valid risks for coronavirus are also about as likely as the 'Someone could come in with a machine gun and cut you up and your blood could go into someone's mouth', too.

So true! This is like the posters last Spring leaving their shopping delivery on the clothes lines for 48 hours or whatever! Or people convinced they’re definitely going to catch Covid as a runner ran in their vague vicinity for 2 seconds. So little perspective or rational thinking!

I don't expect to not get it, could be this year, could be in a few years time. For all I know, I could have had it..
So, I'll be living as well as possible once the NHS is back to capacity..

I over heard a woman with a small toddler in the park saying she had absolutely had enough and would give it another month.

Does everyone not realise the more and more people that do this the longer and longer it’s going to go on for? Honestly the countries that are back to normal had stricter lockdowns and did what they were asked to do, but the main reason that we didn’t have those kind of lockdowns to begin with is because of everyone crying about their human rights and their mental health and not looking at the bigger picture. Everyone is fed up, everyone wants it over but selfishness is not going to help us do that at all

@tootiredtospeak

How everyone is just swallowing this stay the fuck at home is beyond me. We have been told to stay at home on and off for nearly a year. Just wait till we have a vaccine then it will all be ok. Last week we had vaccinated more people in the country than have caught coronavirus since it started and the R rate for the country was between 0.8 and 1. So now the narrative has changed and we must now be scared of a new variant that spreads more quickly and could cause more deaths. Matt Hancock said today we are a long long long way from the end of lockdown. How can we be with 5 million vaccinated it will be a few weeks before the NHS sees less deaths but unless they are lying to us. In a few weeks there will be no justification for this numbers of infections are coming down due to lockdown yes but months more of this is not needed. To start banding around in the press May June Septemer is ridiculous. There does come a point where we will have to question this narrative. Not from the point of a conspiracy but because it's just easier to keep everyone locked up than take the risk of any more mistakes.

Yes. Spot on

That's the point scottsy....what is the bigger picture. Honestly in a few weeks with this current lock down pressure will ease on the NHS and if the government are correct the most vunerable 15 million will be vaccinated by mid feb. Yet we are being told lockdown needs to lasted till at least Spring. Why.