Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

[Covidcovid]

She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

[TheKeatingFive]

SO YES any irrelevant travel CAN cause extra pressure on an overwhelmed NHS!

Can’t believe we’re still getting this.

Most accidents happen in the home. If we’re hell bent on avoiding accidents to minimise pressure on the nhs, we’d be better off travelling and staying out.

HTH

[BonnieDundee]

You could have an accident if you travel. Stay the fuck at home.

BINGO

[cuparfull]

@Redrivershore

I doubt the NHS will collapse if people travel 50 miles to go to a deserted National Trust place rather than walk the busy road near their house

Extra parssure can befall the NHS if they have an accident enroute and suddenly they require the support services/ambulances/fire service etc. And then take into account the availability of operating theatre space should they require repair of fractured limbs/ruptured spleen or any other injury. Thats even if you have a surgeon who is still operating rather than working extra shifts looking after Covid patients on ventilators. All hospital staff have had to repurpose, recovery areas are now ITU's
SO YES any irrelevant travel CAN cause extra pressure on an overwhelmed NHS!
People just seem to think NHS resources will stretch forever.
FU....ING STAY AT HOME!

[DenisetheMenace]

Thebiggerpicture

@Emilyontmoor all deaths are "of value" including the deaths that are caused by depression or domestic or child abuse bought on or made worse by isolation, poverty and despair caused by the virus or exacerbated by the government's handling of it. We need balance. How often are these suicides etc reported on the news alongside the covid deaths? I dont "undervalue" the fact that the majority of deaths are in the over 80s, but again we need to bear that in mind when lockdown affects the rest of the population in such a detrimental way.“

So do you suggest that we refuse to treat the over 80s?
“Bearing it in mind” won’t change anything.

[Thebiggerpicture]

@Emilyontmoor all deaths are "of value" including the deaths that are caused by depression or domestic or child abuse bought on or made worse by isolation, poverty and despair caused by the virus or exacerbated by the government's handling of it. We need balance. How often are these suicides etc reported on the news alongside the covid deaths? I dont "undervalue" the fact that the majority of deaths are in the over 80s, but again we need to bear that in mind when lockdown affects the rest of the population in such a detrimental way.

[peanutbuthead]

Everyone is different. Let her do her and you do you.

I keep changing my mind all the time. One day I'm all for f**k this shit and the next day I know We all have to abide by the rules for the foreseeable future

[rookiemere]

@ineedaholidaynow how is it relevant that people would have complained about borders being shut ? Governing isnt or shouldn't be a popularity competition. It's about making decisions that are in the best interest of the population.

[Partayyyyy]

selfish.... your friend is !!!just do as everyone else is and stay indoors like everyone else and she needs to think herself lucky she still has a family many havent because of dickheads going out

[ineedaholidaynow]

How many people in this country would have complained if we had shut borders right at the start? They can't cope with being told they have to wear a mask, how would they have reacted in the summer if they had been told they couldn't go abroad for a sunshine holiday, never mind for at least a year. Not go to the next county (I know not quite the same as not being able to go to the next state)but the equivalent here. yes we are told to stay local but how many people like to bend that rule.

[Newmama29]

@Seaview1959 I know that is the reality at the moment but in all honesty that’s the reality the NHS faces every single year. I work in emergency receiving & we have shifts like that for months on end during the winter. I have spent many shifts in tears or working in another speciality that is out with my comfort zone due to staffing levels. We have worked with skeleton staff when we have 60+ patients in the department with more waiting to come in. We have many mornings where we can’t provide basic nursing care & it is a sense of accomplishment when you can leave a shift without a patient dying. ICU aren’t used to that level of capacity but I can assure you that A&E & receiving know all too well how much pressure the NHS has been under for a LOOOONG time. The pandemic may have exacerbated this but it’s the fault of the government that has run the NHS into the ground over the years not the public who are just desperate to hug their parents or meet a friend for a coffee.

[LucilleTheVampireBat]

It sounds grim Seaview but I disagree with the government's narrative that it's the public's responsibility to protect the NHS after years of underfunding and mismanagement

As I have said on another thread, I won't be guilted into feeling that "saving" the NHS is my responsibility.

[BonnieDundee]

It sounds grim Seaview but I disagree with the government's narrative that it's the public's responsibility to protect the NHS after years of underfunding and mismanagement.

Hope your girls are okay though. It sounds tough

[mumoftinyterrors]

@Webbetal what a fantastic comment 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind]

My compliance is wavering very thin given the amount of time this has gone on for.

Given there has been very little thought for how horrendous it was been for people who have lost their jobs and homes.

No thought for the harm to people's mental health. The damage that the government refuse to acknowledge to parents who are either desperately trying to work whilst educating their children, or who are terrified of losing their jobs/have already lost their jobs and on top of home schooling are worried about how they will even feed their children.

And then I see news articles or threads on here about vaccine passports to allow the vaccinated more freedoms, whilst us at the back of the queue, who were always unlikely to be seriously ill, have had to struggle on through lockdowns.

If that happens, no way on earth will I be complying. They may not let me go on holiday (chance would be a fine thing) or to a pub but I'd be seeing all of my mates who wanted to.

[Emilyontmoor]

TheBiggerPicture But people should be looking at those daily deaths, and getting angry with the people responsible, the government. You can’t write this off as just something the human species has to put up with because around the world the human species has had very different experiences. Were I still living in Hong Kong I would have spent yesterday at a restaurant with my friends, my children would have gone to school today, people’s businesses and livelihoods are not closed down. The same for my niece in Melbourne. She is a nurse in a paediatric hospital that is carrying in as normal, children are not left untreated because so many staff are off with Covid. Great Ormond Street were only able to carry on in March because Cancer Research U.K. stepped in to fund the scientists who the government would have furloughed, to set up a highly effective testing initiative. The government only recently acknowledged the superiority of their testing initiative with funding, having pumped good money after bad into funding to their croney Dido and her incompetent testing set up. We should be angry.

We have the highest death rate (whether or not you think those deaths are not of value) in the world for a reason. We have not been kept safe by our government. My MP is holding the government to account for their incompetent handling of the pandemic. Even many Conservative MPs, anyone with a shred of probity and integrity, are secretly appalled. I urge people to write to their MPs and demand that an effective test trace and isolate strategy is implemented with effective support for those who need to self isolate and they finally try to get this thing under the sort of control other countries are experiencing. All of this damage, to mental health, the economy, neglect of other health issues and the long lockdowns are the result of the government’s failures not the virus.

[mumoftinyterrors]

It's gone on too long and now they are threatening to keep things closed until July. JULY! It's gone too far. People need to start saying fuck it and these poxy politicians might actually get the message.

[Seaview1959]

This is my first post!! I think the fact that both my girls workin in ICU is my reason for posting. I’m just going to quote from a text I received one night when she was working. When she arrived, it was a war zone. Surge staff were in tears (sent from other wards - not their speciality) Imagine, you’re in a different setting with intubated, very sick patients. Patient ratio should be 1:1, but it’s now 1:4; drugs have to be drawn up, signed for, observations, that’s before basic nursing care: washes, oral care etc. Then, someone arrests - all hands on deck ..... She had 20 minutes break in twelve hours and stayed longer. Patients need to be turned regularly. It takes several staff to prone a patient. Many affected are obese. Relatives are calling but there’s not always time to talk to them despite the fact they are beside themselves. Then there’s the phone class to inform relatives that their loved-one is going to die, or has died. Traumatic stuff. The other day, she was called a “murderer”. Here’s excerpts from the text:

”I’ve just said keep people alive. Don’t worry about turns or washes” And I’ve got to hold myself together. Just feel so guilty. Haven’t even had time to wash. Managed to go round and sheet change and turn. Just finished that. Lines are messy and hair is matted. Just shit. So dangerous as well.
Me: Oh my darling, don’t worry about matted hair, that can be sorted later ..... They just want to live”
In the morning:” Thanks mum. Survived, as did all 16 patients .....”
We are all sick of Lockdown but think about my girls and everyone working for our beloved NHS

[wasthataburp]

@Webbetal

I am finding it astounding that so many people are calling others selfish for not following the rules.

This is a virus with a small death rate even for those who are most vulnerable. And before you harp on about 'that's OK then, you're evil etc' people do die. You just haven't been confronted with the statistics before last year. There were excess deaths last year but not necessarily from covid but more as a result of the fear people had about attending A&E, suicides, missed cancer treatments... The list goes on. We have been told the restrictions are staying indefinitely even if elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated. Lockdowns have been proven in countless studies to not be effective at an endemic point of a virus (which is where we are, it is no longer a pandemic). They have also been proven to cause far more issues than benefits. The government has not done a risk/cost analysis. They are following scientists who are financially benefiting from vaccine roll outs (yes really - look it up) which are being pushed to get us out of lockdowns.

I am so fed up of people being so vicious towards people who don't follow the fear propaganda. The people on the other side of the argument don't behave the same way.

The people pushing lockdowns so fervently without reading research and understanding that the economy has a direct impact on life expectancy as well as mental health etc could be deemed more selfish.

Before you also go on about the NHS being overwhelmed. The NHS is always overwhelmed. I am a nurse and have been for 10 years. There are actually beds in a lot of places in the UK - more than can be said for the countless times when I have been working and there have been literally none.

The government is using this as an opportunity, along with a number of Western countries to do what they want with their slogan 'build back better'i recommend googling it and seeing who honed that slogan and what they want to do.

We are at a point where if you want to isolate because you are vulnerable or worried that you can. If you want to wear a mask because you have researched it and feel that it is right for you to feel safe. If you want to have the vaccine because you feel it is safe and it will make you feel more able to live your life then you should. But this has to stop. Please. Research research research, come to your own conclusions and contact your mps if you disagree with what's happening. Why people instantly trust a government and media astonishes me. Fear sells and governments don't always have the best interests of their people. And most importantly, stop going against others who have a differing opinion to yours. We are not all the same, We do not all think the same and we cannot all live the same way. Be kind.

Very well said

[Sockmonster23]

She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.


Hate to break it to you but yes she is intelligent. People are dying of other stuff, just had a mate diagnosed with stomach cancer can’t do anything for her, delayed diagnoses was scared of catching covid in the end she is dying and I’m fuming! Another of My friend text to say her love isn’t worth living anymore, she lost her job and is single with no kids

How much more of this crap are people going to say enough we are human and need to live our lives and our health and mental health is just as important. We don’t have long anyway on this earth. Who knows what tomorrow brings

[wasthataburp]

Good for her. There is a time when enough is enough.

Catching Covid is better than losing everything. Which is a reality of most people

[Paapa]

Abstinence from sexual activity is 100% effective at preventing pregnancy.

Abstinence programs to prevent teen pregnancies have no effect on pregnancy rates.

If you though lockdowns were going to be an effective idea, you're the kind of person who only considers the first fact, but not the second.

[lapetitefrau]

@HerculesMuligan

I don’t see those breaking, or contemplating breaking, the rules in a measured thought-out way as being silly or ‘having a tantrum’ as a previous poster put it. Instead I see them as capable of something more than simplistic black and white reasoning.

The ‘just stick rigidly to the rules!’ brigade seem like drivers on a motorway religiously driving at 70mph and getting outraged at drivers who are driving at 75mph.

Meanwhile those who are doing the equivalent of driving at 120mph in heavy fog - the employers who fail to provide Covid secure workplaces or who make workers come in unnecessarily, a system that effectively forces low paid people on precarious contracts to work when they’re sick, a horrifically unequal society - are all ignored. Because it’s easier to get angry at individuals breaking rules in a minor way than to actually consider the bigger picture.

A society of people so willing to police each other for minor transgressions at the expense of focusing on anything wider must be a gift for a government. Especially this one that has no intention of fixing and improving the aspects of our country that are not working for many people.

100% this. thank you!

[Liana2021]

Let’s just keep it together a bit longer, the end of this is in sight. What makes this lockdown much harder than the others in my opinion is that there is no end date to it.
From what I read on MN and speaking to my friends, the end of March seems to be a collective invisible deadline for the most of us. It will have been a full year not being able to see loved ones and friends.
Idiotic decisions such as the infamous “eat out” and reopening the schools crushed the trust between people and government.

[Thebiggerpicture]

@webbetal spot on. I suggest people that have time do their own research & look at ALL the science not just govt sponsored, even look on the govt's own Office for National Statistics website (particularly at the graphs that compare different vauses of death) it puts covid deaths in perspective. If we were given "death stats" every night on the news before covid we'd have been depressed before. This is real but life by nature is risky and we need to get the whole thing into perspective, even David Attenborough predicted pandemics if humans didn't control their own population. We are just another species after all. I would recommend not watching the news if you dont want to get depressed, it will never give you hope (except the vaccine) and its in their interest to keep us living in fear so no one breaks rules (just like religion used to.)

[Ddot]

I see my mam as she isn't coping, I wear my mask most of the time, drop bits off and chat for a while.
Mam said she would rather be dead than alone any longer 91 and practically blind