Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

[Covidcovid]

She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

For all those people saying March is their limit for complying with lockdown rules because all vulnerable groups will have been vaccinated, that won't be the case as that will likely only cover the 4 extremely vulnerable groups, not those who have existing health conditions who are classed as vulnerable.

These people have just been told to be extra careful with social distancing, but otherwise have been told they can attend work if they can't work from home. But with more and more people getting fed up of the rules and deciding to break them, and therefore social distancing being more difficult, it puts this group at an increased risk, and with the NHS being overwhelmed its just not a risk any of us can afford to take if we want any sort of normality to return to our lives any time soon.

I miss my family and friends too but as someone with a condition that makes me more vulnerable to this virus, I worry more about the affect on my family and 3yr old son if I was to die from it or have a poor quality of life after recovering from it. We are hearing more and more now of people with long covid so I think as hard as it is people need to see the bigger picture.

Every person I know is now feeling & saying things like this.

Yes, me too. The tide is well and truly turning.

@numberoneson

Well, to be blunt she's not only stupid, selfish and irresponsible, but also quite likely to die of Covid herself in the not too distant future. If I were you I'd have no contact with her except by phone or email, because she's definitely going to be endangering every person she comes into contact with - even at 2 metres.

Quite likely to die?

There is another thread currently running on propaganda tactics. This is where fear mongering gets us. Total dismissal of facts and statistics.

I know of more people who have died or almost died as a result of not receiving health care or treatments due to covid, myself included!

I can totally relate to your friend. There is no doubt that action needed to be taken but nearly a year since the first lockdown began and we are in lockdown no.3 with shit testing and tracing and rules as clear as mud. I look at AUS and NZ and makes me feel sick that we are still no better off. We’re actually worse off. The question needs to be asked why the NHS has been cut from all angles to the point where it isn’t fit for purpose, the PPE is shite and they’re stopping procedures/treatments for all types of disease.
On the other hand, people are missing out on time with loved ones who aren’t long for this earth, me included, I lost my grandma on the 15th Jan to dementia, she knew who I was before lockdown, by the time i saw her again she was on her deathbed, had no idea who I was and was on open visiting due to her dying and she sadly died the same night. This government have a lot to answer for.

@HerculesMuligan

I always wonder if those shouting loudest for indefinite compliance with lockdown rules are so vigilant in potentially protecting other people in other ways.

I remember a thread a couple of years ago when I made the point that someone’s car and plane emissions could be the tipping point for a life or death situation in eg a flood in Bangladesh, or a severely asthmatic child in London. I was told my many posters that I was being ridiculous and that you can’t look at things in such a individualist and ‘blame-focused’ way.

So my point is when some people are so pro-lockdown - ‘we must save every one from Covid if we possibly can!’ - it comes across to me as overly narrow, and contradictory.

Totally.

I have severe anxiety around the idea of driving. I passed my test after years of dithering, but never driven since.
It just blows my mind that all it takes is one small mistake, and I could kill someone - just as many people do, thousands of times each year.
So, I've fashioned a life around not driving.
When I talked to people about this, they looked at me like I was mad, and replied 'But we can't go around thinking like that - people have to get about, don't they!? We can't ban cars. You just hope it doesn't happen to you'.

The are now all staunch believers in the Church of Covid, firmly believing that they might have coronavirus, all of the time, and they might kill someone at any time, and that it's perfectly normal to give up pretty much everything to stop a disease which has a 99.8% recovery rate...

@numberoneson how is she “highly likely to die of Covid” I do follow the rules and have no intention of breaking them but no one is highly likely to die of Covid. We’ve all seen the figures based on age, underlying issues etc. Do you not think saying something like that is scaremongering and you help to bring about people feeling even worse then they feel the need to break the restrictions.

@numberoneson

Well, to be blunt she's not only stupid, selfish and irresponsible, but also quite likely to die of Covid herself in the not too distant future. If I were you I'd have no contact with her except by phone or email, because she's definitely going to be endangering every person she comes into contact with - even at 2 metres.

Is she really likely to die? The vast majority of people who get it recover.

'maybe you should follow the advice in your name. The NHS is always a shambles'

🙄

It is under immense pressure on an unprecedented scale. ICUs popping up all over hospitals So would your nan (who has been happy to flout/take risks from the start) expect symptom control or not if she was suffering, should she catch it from all the mixing she's been doing? Many of us are making sacrifices when other prats cba and it is sickening. Saying she is 'happy to take risks' is ridiculous.

'Yes, me too. The tide is well and truly turning'

Up the revolution! Most intelligent folk recognise the need to restrict contact in a pandemic.

I'm not aware of her age or any underlying health problems that she has, but the new variant is supposedly more dangerous than the initial virus. All I can tell you is that my beloved husband - who was following all the rules - did die of it.

@GetOffYourHighHorse I never said she was doing “mixing” I just said that her views on it was that she could die in the next year anyway without spending time with her loved ones. Why is it suddenly only covid deaths that people are concerned with? There was such an uproar about the treatment of nursing home residents not being able to see families but there isn’t the same empathy for the elderly in their own homes. For the record the only people seeing my gran are my auntie who does her basic care & housework as they were unable to get carers in place for her during lockdowns which she most definitely needs seeing as she’s had multiple falls in the last year due to her independence declining!

[quote DonnaDonna01]@numberoneson how is she “highly likely to die of Covid” I do follow the rules and have no intention of breaking them but no one is highly likely to die of Covid. We’ve all seen the figures based on age, underlying issues etc. Do you not think saying something like that is scaremongering and you help to bring about people feeling even worse then they feel the need to break the restrictions.[/quote]
As I said in my reply to VinylDetective, I'm not aware of her age or any underlying health problems that she has, but the new variant is supposedly more dangerous than the initial virus. All I can tell you is that my beloved husband - who was following all the rules - did die of it.

If people feel the need to break the restrictions I have no sympathy for them. They're risking OTHER people's lives as well as their own, and if they lack sufficient backbone to grit their teeth and wait until the vaccination programme has finished, they are, I suppose, just going to be prime examples of Darwinism - ridding the gene pool of idiots.

Most intelligent folk recognise the need to restrict contact in a pandemic.

If you and your cronies are so intelligent, how about trying to use that great brain power to bring people round to your way of thinking?

You know, rather than minimise all the things they’re going through and throw insults.

Just a thought.

This thread really makes me angry. I am 44 and I have two acquaintances that have been really ill. One is a 43 year old mother of 3 who caught covid from her primary aged kids back in November - she spent two weeks in hospital, and was hours away from going on a ventilator. She is still exhausted a month and a half on. The other is a 48 year old mother of 3 who contracted covid in December through her work. 2 weeks ago, she had a covid induced heart attack and was in a coma. She has been fitted with a pacemaker. I also know of a man in his 80s who was admitted to hospital with pneumonia (tested negative for covid). There was no space for him in ICU - he died soon after he arrived in hospital because the only thing the medics could do was make him comfortable for his last few hours.

We are all bloody fed up with lockdown, staying in, not seeing family and friends, homeschooling, not going on holidays and everything else this fucking shitstorm is throwing at us. And everyone’s mental health is screwed at the moment. I don’t know a single person who doesn’t want to hug parents, friends, even strangers! We all want to go shopping without a sodding mask, meet in each other’s houses, go to festivals, restaurants, pubs - even on a bloody bus or train without it being a ‘risk’. Oh, and get our poor kids back to school with their peers. The sooner everyone shuts the fuck up, does as they are told, and in the end gets vaccinated, the sooner we can get back to some form of normality!!!!

I'm not aware of her age or any underlying health problems that she has, but the new variant is supposedly more dangerous than the initial virus

I think the disputed figures reference a 1.3% chance of fatality over all, rather than 1%.

So no, not ‘highly likely’ no matter how you cut it.

Well said @lizbethb37 👏

@Paapa Off topic but weirdly I’m really similar to you about driving! I have my licence by rarely drive as I just can’t get my head around how I could be in charge of a machine than can kill people.

The sooner everyone shuts the fuck up, does as they are told, and in the end gets vaccinated, the sooner we can get back to some form of normality!!!!

We’ve been hearing that since last March. It’s no truer now than it was then.

In the meantime, I don’t want to spend the last years of my parents lives avoiding them. I’ll wait til they get vaccinated and then I’ll visit as normal.

Lockdown isn’t a pause button. It’s time you don’t get back.

We've all had enough. But it's not about us or what we think we're entitled too, it's about the people who are majorly at risk, it's about the people working their socks off to keep the rest of us safe, and they're the ones we need to protect. Sorry but I think your friend - and anyone else who thinks they can just say sod it and decide to stop isolating because they've had enough - is a total CF.

[quote Newmama29]@GetOffYourHighHorse I never said she was doing “mixing” I just said that her views on it was that she could die in the next year anyway without spending time with her loved ones. Why is it suddenly only covid deaths that people are concerned with? There was such an uproar about the treatment of nursing home residents not being able to see families but there isn’t the same empathy for the elderly in their own homes. For the record the only people seeing my gran are my auntie who does her basic care & housework as they were unable to get carers in place for her during lockdowns which she most definitely needs seeing as she’s had multiple falls in the last year due to her independence declining![/quote]
Sadly it's not even only covid deaths some people are concerned about, it's only covid deaths of people who have been following the rules.

We have people on here openly saying they don't care if rule breakers die, and that it's natural selection if they do.

Yet those questioning the restrictions and expressing concern about LD are immoral?

I understand people are upset about losing family & friends to covid, but I have lost 2 close family friends due to treatment not being received because of covid. I nearly died myself during childbirth because I was treated like a leper due to having a temperature & awaiting covid results (despite the fact myself & my partner hadn’t left the house in weeks & clearly having signs of sepsis). I was delayed life-saving treatment because doctors didn’t want to take me to theatre to “dirty” it.

The sooner everyone shuts the fuck up, does as they are told, and in the end gets vaccinated, the sooner we can get back to some form of normality!!!!

How is 'shutting the fuck up' and a lot of ! going to prevent the outbreaks in hospitals, care homes and other essential work places which are the source of most infections? Not Sally in number 14 going to visit her sister last week.

I agree with her.
Lockdown fanaticism has gone on long enough and it is about time more consideration was given to the side effects.
Interesting that those promoting lockdowns are not the ones whose lives are being devastated by them.

@Silp

SO sick about hearing that younger people are fed up about not seeing friends. How many elderly people haven't even gone out since March? How many haven't even been able to even see relatives, never mind hug them. so all you youngsters get a grip & stop moaning, families were separated for YEARS during wars. To the rest of you, who say, F*k the Lockdown or don't even believe in this virus, I just hope you or your loved don't get it. It's due to Morons like you that we're not getting out of this mess- not the governments!!!

What a load of crap this is. Any post that so much as hinted at this attitude towards the old And elderly would be shouted down with chimes of ageism but this kind of crap is absolutely fine!

@lizbethb37

Ah the "Stay The Fuck At Home" Brigade

Lovely.