Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

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She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

This thread is really depressing me.
Everyone is fed up. Everyone is missing loved ones.
I am much more emotional than I was - weepy at the drop of a hat. But I follow the rules, and will continue to do so.
I just hope that selfish, rule-breaking people do not endanger me or anybody I care about.
My teenage sons have more responsibility and self-restraint than many of the adults on here.

@Scottsy100

Does everyone not realise the more and more people that do this the longer and longer it’s going to go on for? Honestly the countries that are back to normal had stricter lockdowns and did what they were asked to do, but the main reason that we didn’t have those kind of lockdowns to begin with is because of everyone crying about their human rights and their mental health and not looking at the bigger picture. Everyone is fed up, everyone wants it over but selfishness is not going to help us do that at all

Which comparable countries are you referring to when you say " the countries that are back to normal had stricter lockdowns and did what they were asked to do"? Certainly no European country is anywhere close to 'normal', and these, not NZ or China, are the obvious countries that Britain should be compared with.

And thinking that if everyone 'follows the rules' it will all be over is naive. Most of the outbreaks happen in care homes, hospitals and other essential places of work, not because somone on MN met a friend for ttakeaway coffee.

Everyone has their breaking point, a fair majority of people I know see giving it until March 31st.

@simiisme

This thread is really depressing me. Everyone is fed up. Everyone is missing loved ones. I am much more emotional than I was - weepy at the drop of a hat. But I follow the rules, and will continue to do so. I just hope that selfish, rule-breaking people do not endanger me or anybody I care about. My teenage sons have more responsibility and self-restraint than many of the adults on here.

Agreed

@Dontforgetyourbrolly

Everyone has their breaking point , many will follow . Mostly these are not evil people, they are just human beings that have had enough of being isolated. I have found a big divide between people that are happy with lockdown , that live with their family and probably their normal lives tended to revolve around that anyway, and single people living alone that got all their social interactions from activities outside the home .

I agree! Politicians and the media have made us turn on one another depression is real.

The NHS needs privatising (but that’s a whole other thread...)

I've done the full circle.
Lost my job in aviation. Husband dumped me afterc24 years for a younger woman.
Started a new job. Got laid off due to Covid.
I'm living in an area I moved to for my husband's job. I don't know anyone here. I used to commute from Wales to London for my job.
My family are in England along with my friends.
My husband dumped me mid November and I've been sat in an empty house ever since. Just got through to final selection for a new job in aviation (It's all I'm trained to do, and no job aviation jobs I've applied for have even acknowledged my application) and now it's looking likely that will collapse due to new border controls likely to cone in.
I'm now at a point where lockdown suits me. I don't see any point in anything. It's all gone. My whole life. My job, my home will soon go, my husband of 24 years. Gone. My future ...Gone.
I'm quite happy to sit here and do sweet fuck all now whilst the remnants of my life just collapse around me. I've no enthusiasm to go for a walk even.
I've fought to bounce back several times since last March but that's it now. I'm just going with the flow. I'm just a lockdown loser.
I'm terrified now of real life starting back up because I've no fight left to play the game any more. Just leave me here to watch tv, mumsnet and make the odd cup of tea.

It's just easier to go with the flow and not fight against it any more.
Wake me up If we ever get some reality back.

People questioning the narrative doesn't necessarily equal someone breaking the rules. You can follow them without agreeing to them and whilst disagreeing that they are the right thing to do.

When are people going to realise this is the new normal? These covid viruses are going to be around and mutating every year most likely, they are a variation on mers and sars that we've had for years, just getting more virulent. Govts need to find new ways of helping to control, lockdowns are not sustainable for mental health, human rights or the economy. They are just slowing it down (or prolonging the agony?!) to protect the underfunded and now understaffed NHS. Borders need to be controlled from suspect countries, the vulnerable will have to shield, the rest of us will just need to get on with our lives before we are all bought down to our knees surely?

*The reasoning behind 'The government has fucked up at every point' so 'we will just do what we want to now' is laughable.

Two wrongs make a right? Compound the mistakes by mixing and spreading it more?*

This is definitely true. But it's still hard. The problem is that a lot of the people saying this and doing it are young and don't think they'll be at risk at all. And for the most part this is true. But not totally. They almost certainly won't die, but there are younger people in hospital, and that puts extra pressure on an already overstretched NHS. Or they could end up with long Covid, which has put a lot of us out of action for months.

Admittedly, they're much more likely to end up with very mild or asymptomatic. But then they put others at risk, the R rate won't come down and lockdown will go on for even longer.

We have a vaccine and it's being rolled out very effectively from what I've seen. We just need to hold on a bit longer.

As a proviso, I do admit that it's a lot easier for me, living with my family and struggling with long Covid so not able to go out much anyway. I can see that it's much harder for people living on their own. This has been going on a long time.

@Thebiggerpicture Yes there will be mutations. Hopefully, it will eventually work the way it does with the flu, with a new vaccine every year. I'm being optimistic anyway.

Completely agree, its so hard on everyone, I work in mental health and all the people I look after are completely sticking to the rules. Yes its awful somedays for all of us, but, if we all just behaved as we would like the consequences would be horrendous

She’s a selfish nasty idiot, like lots of posters apparently. We are ALL sick of it. We all want to visit our families. But if we all did, then we’d be in even worse situation than we are now. She sounds like a horrible entitled cow.

@Silp

It's due to Morons like you that we're not getting out of this mess- not the governments

^This

@dumpedwife

That sounds horrendous and my heart goes out to you.

At times like this all we can do is hang in there and hope better times will come.

I hope you get some better news soon.

@simiisme

This thread is really depressing me. Everyone is fed up. Everyone is missing loved ones. I am much more emotional than I was - weepy at the drop of a hat. But I follow the rules, and will continue to do so. I just hope that selfish, rule-breaking people do not endanger me or anybody I care about. My teenage sons have more responsibility and self-restraint than many of the adults on here.

This is just as crass as saying that the reason we're in this mess is due to all the obsese people who disproportionately need hospitalisation for covid with their lack of self restraint with food.

Now they are saying the South African strain may not be prevented by the vaccine, and there have been reports of other strains appearing.

Surely we can't go on like this indefinitely? Whilst some people are quite content to stay at home on their own or with a partner, I would imagine the vast majority want to be able to see their families and close friends. Speaking for myself, a life stuck at home, even with a dear partner, and with very little normal contact with other people is not much of a life. It can be borne for a period of time but the feeling that this is going to go on and on and on is really very alarming. And the ever-changing narrative is disorientating.

I think the measures regarding social distancing will probably have to be retained in some form for a while yet, and wearing masks in enclosed spaces and on public transport, these along with the more rigorous hand washing routine.

Paapa so you're saying that the rule breakers have a condition that makes them endanger other people and they can't help it?

What about drink drivers? Is it mean to blame them when they plough into some pedestrians?

I am finding it astounding that so many people are calling others selfish for not following the rules.

This is a virus with a small death rate even for those who are most vulnerable. And before you harp on about 'that's OK then, you're evil etc' people do die. You just haven't been confronted with the statistics before last year. There were excess deaths last year but not necessarily from covid but more as a result of the fear people had about attending A&E, suicides, missed cancer treatments... The list goes on. We have been told the restrictions are staying indefinitely even if elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated. Lockdowns have been proven in countless studies to not be effective at an endemic point of a virus (which is where we are, it is no longer a pandemic). They have also been proven to cause far more issues than benefits. The government has not done a risk/cost analysis. They are following scientists who are financially benefiting from vaccine roll outs (yes really - look it up) which are being pushed to get us out of lockdowns.

I am so fed up of people being so vicious towards people who don't follow the fear propaganda. The people on the other side of the argument don't behave the same way.

The people pushing lockdowns so fervently without reading research and understanding that the economy has a direct impact on life expectancy as well as mental health etc could be deemed more selfish.

Before you also go on about the NHS being overwhelmed. The NHS is always overwhelmed. I am a nurse and have been for 10 years. There are actually beds in a lot of places in the UK - more than can be said for the countless times when I have been working and there have been literally none.

The government is using this as an opportunity, along with a number of Western countries to do what they want with their slogan 'build back better'i recommend googling it and seeing who honed that slogan and what they want to do.

We are at a point where if you want to isolate because you are vulnerable or worried that you can. If you want to wear a mask because you have researched it and feel that it is right for you to feel safe. If you want to have the vaccine because you feel it is safe and it will make you feel more able to live your life then you should. But this has to stop. Please. Research research research, come to your own conclusions and contact your mps if you disagree with what's happening. Why people instantly trust a government and media astonishes me. Fear sells and governments don't always have the best interests of their people. And most importantly, stop going against others who have a differing opinion to yours. We are not all the same, We do not all think the same and we cannot all live the same way. Be kind.

simiisme

*This thread is really depressing me.
Everyone is fed up. Everyone is missing loved ones.
I am much more emotional than I was - weepy at the drop of a hat. But I follow the rules, and will continue to do so.
I just hope that selfish, rule-breaking people do not endanger me or anybody I care about.
My teenage sons have more responsibility and self-restraint than many of the adults on here.

This is just as crass as saying that the reason we're in this mess is due to all the obsese people who disproportionately need hospitalisation for covid with their lack of self restraint with food.*

This!!

@Webbetal

The government is using this as an opportunity, along with a number of Western countries to do what they want with their slogan 'build back better'i recommend googling it and seeing who honed that slogan and what they want to do

I respect immensely the work that you and your colleagues do.

However, 'build back better' is driven by the globalist left, not the Tories

@LastTrainEast

Paapa so you're saying that the rule breakers have a condition that makes them endanger other people and they can't help it?

What about drink drivers? Is it mean to blame them when they plough into some pedestrians?

I'm saying that just like the reasons for obesity, the reasons that people might be 'breaking the rules' are extremely complex, and that the rules are far easier for some to follow than others.

If we're blaming people's 'lack of self restraint' for the hospitals being overwhelmed due to people catching covid and for us to have to be in lockdown to prevent it, then why not include all the forms of 'lack of self restraint' that burden the hospitals?

@DumpedWife no advice but sending love. Not very mumsnetty but who cares.