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Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

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Covidcovid · 23/01/2021 07:56

She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

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myusernamewastakenbyme · 25/01/2021 07:07

I see my Dp too...and we stay at each others houses....this virus has been going on almost a year....i would rather be dead than not see the person i love most in the world for all that time.

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trulydelicious · 25/01/2021 07:14

Sorry for your loss @Purplealienpuke

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Mittens030869 · 25/01/2021 07:49

Sorry, but adopted children are NOT at all
the same as natural children. DD1 (11) has attachment issues and other SEN. She has violent meltdowns where she'll throw whatever she has to hand or hit out at DD2 (she used to lash out at me as well.

Re DD3 (8), the headteacher pressed us hard to send her, as she suffered badly during the last lockdown. This was because I was badly ill with Covid symptoms. My DH had to call an ambulance a couple of times. (I had all the Covid symptoms. It was unlike any other virus I ever had before. And I already had CFS beforehand after having bad flu the previous year that turned into pneumonia.)

I think the reason the school pushed us was because my DH had to go off sick with the stress of it all in November and, because I was still bad, my BIL and SIL took them in for a week.

It was actually a very reluctant decision to send them to school. My DH (55) has asthma and I was worried about him catching Covid. But because of DD1's needs in particular, and because of the pressure from Sophie's headteacher, we made the decision we did.

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Mittens030869 · 25/01/2021 07:52

I also had very weird symptoms, like nausea for several weeks early on and also loss of smell and taste. I also had breathlessness and my oxygen levels were low, hence the need to call an ambulance. In one occasion I was almost at a level to be taken into hospital.

But feel free to tell me it was another virus that happened to have all the same symptoms as Covid.

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TheKeatingFive · 25/01/2021 08:01

People aren't being 'naughty' or 'disobedient',they are just behaving like a human beings

EXACTLY

And we won’t get anywhere until we acknowledge this.

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DdraigGoch · 25/01/2021 08:16

I spent last summer watching people pile onto crowded trains to go to the coast, despite public transport being for essential purposes only at the time. Nonetheless I stuck to the rules. Even once the Welsh ban on non-essential travel was lifted in July, I still did not jump on a train to go where I liked on the basis that they were very overcrowded so to do so would be unpleasant and irresponsible.

I watched as news stories flooded in of people returning from abroad on planes where no one wore masks, failing to quarantine and went straight out on pub crawls, causing localised outbreaks. Still, I resolved to maintain the moral high ground and didn't let myself be too downcast by my own abandoned holiday plans.

Then came the autumn. Universities and schools returned. You'd have thought that people would use that as a reason to be more cautious. After all, schools were reopening for the good of our children so it would be silly to jeopardise that by continuing to mix socially. No, people used it as an excuse to have sleepovers and ramp up their mixing on the basis that the kids were already mixing anyway. That's not how mitigation works! On top of which it has become apparent that there were significant numbers of parents prepared to send their kids into school while someone in the family is symptomatic - or worse, when the child themselves has tested positive.

In October, Drakeford came up with this bright idea (originally dreamt up by his boss, Keir Starmer) of having a two-week "firebreak" lockdown. Close everything down, even cordoning off the baby clothes (apparently to protect small retailers from supermarket sales but in reality to the benefit of Amazon) and then opening everything straight back up in one go, no matter what the local case rate. No surprise then that after a brief dip case rates soared as people made up for two weeks of no pubs with one big pub crawl at the end. Welsh case rates became the worst in Europe.

Later in the autumn, the Welsh Government introduced draconian restrictions on hospitality, banning all sale of alcohol for consumption on the premises (yes, even with a meal) and forcing all restaurants to close by 18:00. So does everyone become teetotal for the duration? Do they heck. They pile straight across the border to have their substantial scotch egg, returning on trains packed with other mask less drunks. Case rates continue to grow, even in places which had previously seen very low rates.

So I spent all that time last year restricting myself to the letter of the law, and sometimes going beyond that for the good of society but I increasingly wonder why I bothered as the rest of society didn't return the favour.

Following the end of summer though, I did say a few times "f* it, from x date I'm giving up". Each time though they relaxed rules slightly which made whatever minor act of rebellion I had planned technically legal. I never took silly risks but decided that if I wanted to cross the border to go to a socially-distanced concert, I was bloody well going to (technically legal each time). I also went to my parents in England for Christmas, as a single person I was technically allowed to visit a support bubble even though the Welsh Government had cancelled Christmas bubbles. Having my brother attend too was a bit of a grey area as the English tier 3 rules allowed it but I came from Wales where it wouldn't have been.

So what next? As far as I'm concerned, January and February were always write-off months anyway, even without Covid. It is too cold to do much other than hibernate so what do I care that we are locked down? I wasn't going anywhere anyway. I will however be having tradesmen in for work which isn't strictly urgent (not like burst pipes or anything) but frankly I've spent quite enough time shivering in my living room next to an oil lamp trying to keep the dust at bay because the plaster is down and with it the radiator and electrical fittings. Chances of an Alpine holiday are looking more and more slim as Europe drags its feet over vaccination but I will take any chance I can get. After all, any loyalty I felt I owed to the rest of society evaporated last year when they all took the piss.

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namechangeforthis24 · 25/01/2021 08:34

I would have thought having work done on a room with no electric or heating is deemed quite urgent DdraigGoch!

I am in South Wales and compliance around here is pretty good to be fair.

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Purplealienpuke · 25/01/2021 08:50

Thank you @trulydelicious

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User2921 · 25/01/2021 08:53

DdraigGoch, fully understand why you want/need to flex the rules the same as a lot of us.
However, it is more honest to own that than to use it as another excuse to judge and criticise other people. If you break the rules, and I don't judge you for that, it's not the fault of other people for having broken them first.

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Cadoo · 25/01/2021 09:00

@amispeakingenglish

Mittens030869

(Thankfully, they've been offered places in school; adopted children are included in the list of vulnerable children, which is a vast improvement on the last lockdown.)

Why??? Surely they are the same as natural children? Why on earth are they more vulnerable. They are your children? (perhaps fostered might be as from a difficult situation) DD is a secondary teacher and I don't want her to have unnecessary numbers in her school!!!!!! More risk to me then and I'm over 60. Can someone explain why adopted children are any more vulnerable than natural please? Sick of people misusing schools as free childcare and abusing the system. Just because someone can send them doesn't mean they should, think of others.
Also 'long covid' sounds just like ME to me, which comes on after a virus too. Just a new name?

This is possibly the most ill informed post I've ever read on MN. I don't even know where to begin.
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BonnieDundee · 25/01/2021 09:03

This is possibly the most ill informed post I've ever read on MN. I don't even know where to begin.

And you've got some material to choose from Grin

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TheKeatingFive · 25/01/2021 09:08

However, it is more honest to own that than to use it as another excuse to judge and criticise other people. If you break the rules, and I don't judge you for that, it's not the fault of other people for having broken them first.

I agree with this. If you think the rules are just and proportional, it shouldn’t matter what others do. Follow them if you respect them.

If you don’t, then fine, but act for yourself. Many of us are at this point.

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AvocadosBeforeMortgages · 25/01/2021 09:15

My sense of responsibility to "do the right thing" has been thoroughly eroded by the fact that government has refused to do the right thing by the 3 million people who have been Excluded from government financial support. My business model (events) has been rendered illegal and yet Rishi Sunak has rendered me ineligible for every form of central government support - I haven't even been able to get UC.

I'm just about keeping the wolf from the door at the moment, but if I don't leave the house I don't earn, so self isolation isn't an option for me. I don't feel guilty about that at all - it's not selfish to need to pay the rent. The ones who should feel guilty are those in government who force people like me to choose between self isolating and paying the rent.

Unfortunately I still seem to be following most of the rules, but only because their care needs mean I can have unlimited visits to my family, too many things are shut, and friends seem to be remarkably keen to follow the rules, so I lack people to break the rules with.

Still driving to exercise though - one little act of rebellion against the Welsh government.

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Lulu49 · 25/01/2021 09:33

People like her are why we are in such a mess

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trulydelicious · 25/01/2021 09:42

@AvocadosBeforeMortgages

I don't think anyone is denying that there are many who are financially struggling (and this should be addressed, absolutely)

But some here just want to throw a tantrum, break the rules and increase transmission which will result in this whole nightmare dragging out for longer (because they think they can)

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trulydelicious · 25/01/2021 09:43

@Lulu49

People like her are why we are in such a mess

Exactly, this imaginary 'NHS friend'

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lapetitefrau · 25/01/2021 09:55

I've never abided by the lockdown rules. It doesn't mean I've been to any crowded places or big parties or anything like that. I have only been on 1 train since March. However, I visit my neighbours with my baby, I've had my friend round for tea a few times and I've hugged her. I live rurally and spend a lot of time outside walking. I sing music with 5 others in a chapel. I break many rules, but they are still all low risk behaviour and it keeps me and my baby from going insane.

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HerculesMuligan · 25/01/2021 10:25

I don’t see those breaking, or contemplating breaking, the rules in a measured thought-out way as being silly or ‘having a tantrum’ as a previous poster put it. Instead I see them as capable of something more than simplistic black and white reasoning.

The ‘just stick rigidly to the rules!’ brigade seem like drivers on a motorway religiously driving at 70mph and getting outraged at drivers who are driving at 75mph.

Meanwhile those who are doing the equivalent of driving at 120mph in heavy fog - the employers who fail to provide Covid secure workplaces or who make workers come in unnecessarily, a system that effectively forces low paid people on precarious contracts to work when they’re sick, a horrifically unequal society - are all ignored. Because it’s easier to get angry at individuals breaking rules in a minor way than to actually consider the bigger picture.

A society of people so willing to police each other for minor transgressions at the expense of focusing on anything wider must be a gift for a government. Especially this one that has no intention of fixing and improving the aspects of our country that are not working for many people.

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WombatChocolate · 25/01/2021 10:28

You want to just choose for yourself what you deem as safe and low risk behaviour.

The trouble is, do you really think everyone can or will make an accurate judgement about that?

When 50million people all choose for themselves in a pandemic, controlling a virus is pretty much impossible.

What makes you think YOU know better than the experts? Why won’t being with your neighbours pose a risk of transmission in one direction or the other, especially given you’ve been with other people and they have probably too.

It find these kind of statements bizarre.

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Emilyontmoor · 25/01/2021 10:29

Glad to see someone is pushing back at the misinformation and dodgy stats that are circulated by the sceptics, and that it is working. Heneghen and Gupta, the vocal tiny minority of Scientists who don’t support the established public health response to a pandemic (and with dodgy right wing funding and links to Trump at that) who were appearing all over MSM last year only managed 4 mentions since the New Year www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/25/the-information-warriors-fighting-robot-zombie-army-of-coronavirus-sceptics?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I see we have another western centric one on here. There is a big wide world out there you know, countries responding in exactly the same way even though they could not have more different political systems and politicians. Viruses don’t do politics.....

And Cummings was droning on about the fourth industrial Revolution and his ludicrous plans to create state sponsored big tech post Brexit long before he altered his blogs to pretend he saw a coronavirus epidemic coming (which actually the whole of Asia and most scientists had expected since 2003 ).

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LucilleTheVampireBat · 25/01/2021 10:49

People like her are why we are in such a mess

Nope. It doesn't matter how many times people make statements like this one, they're never going to be true.

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BonnieDundee · 25/01/2021 10:55

A society of people so willing to police each other for minor transgressions at the expense of focusing on anything wider must be a gift for a government. Especially this one that has no intention of fixing and improving the aspects of our country that are not working for many people

This

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Beverley71 · 25/01/2021 10:56

@OverTheRainbow88

I keep thinking fuck in... but then wimp out!!

It’s gone on for sooooo long now it’s so hard to keep going.

I did break a rule last week and went round the side gate into my mums garden and sat 3m
Away and had a cuppa- which I took myself in a flask. So sad that was illegal.b

I’ll be breaking the rules to ensure that my 6 year old has contact with another child her age. Her mental health is suffering and she won’t be in a good place if the schools are shut until Easter. I’ve written to my MP, the Children’s Commission and no 10 regarding taking them out of the numbers allowed to meet up. Until they see this I’ll risk a fine for her health
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OverTheRainbow88 · 25/01/2021 10:57

@Beverley71

I don’t blame you, I would do the same.

Luckily my kids are young enough for this to not affect them as they can still go to nursery and pre school

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Ddot · 25/01/2021 11:01

I see my mam as she isn't coping, I wear my mask most of the time, drop bits off and chat for a while.
Mam said she would rather be dead than alone any longer 91 and practically blind

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