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So when the vulnerable are vaccinated the lockdown experiment ends right?

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orientalknife · 13/01/2021 16:55

Because life cannot go on like this and we are ruining kid's future

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Porcupineintherough · 13/01/2021 17:20

When there is capacity in hospitals, then restrictions can ease.

Belladonna12 · 13/01/2021 17:21

@LockdownSucksBalls

I agree OP. They have until the end of February from me. This is a blunt tool that should have been used once. I don't really see anyone paying anything other than lip service to restrictions now and thank god for that.
You haven't actually got the power to open schools or businesses though . Obviously you can mix households but if everyone does it that will just prolong the closing of schools and businesses. Doesn't seem like you care too much about your children's education or the economic effects if you do that.
EmmanuelleMakro · 13/01/2021 17:22

We shouldn’t have to stop all normal life to ‘save’ a government service.
The NHS is not fit for purpose -still fossilised in a 1940s model -sending ‘letters’! We need s new and agile model of health delivery based on what works in other countries.

turnthebiglightoff · 13/01/2021 17:22

I agree with the OP. Kids need to play. I've been in playgrounds with my nearly 2 year old where he is desperate to play with others but parents pull their kids away. Btw don't take your kids to playgrounds if you want to keep your kids socially distanced from others. Ridiculous. It's a bit heart breaking if I'm honest; can't teach my little one about playing nicely or sharing. His vocabulary is incredible though because of how much tv he's watched.......

WorraLiberty · 13/01/2021 17:22

Could get expensive for some of you...

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wanderings · 13/01/2021 17:23

The government are keeping deathly silent on the damage lockdown is doing: not just to children, but to everybody. Right now, they are waving it aside with “people will die”. The damage will be huge, for too many reasons to list. The cure is in danger of being worse than the disease.

I like the word “experiment”, because in the words of Uncle Andrew from CS Lewis’s The Magician’s Nephew, “can’t you see the whole thing is a great experiment??”. It is an experiment in so far as the situation is unprecedented; not one that was started for its own sake (although I’m not 100% certain of that), but I sense that governments all over the world have seized the opportunity to find out just how much they can micromanage their citizens, and how willingly they go along with this (far too willingly, in my opinion). The government also seems to be enjoying playing with our heads, like toys. 🐻

EmmanuelleMakro · 13/01/2021 17:23

I received a letter today about a flu jab -why??? The local surgery could have texted me.

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orientalknife · 13/01/2021 17:23

They can play in their own home but playing with friends is important for their well being. And if it's freezing and awful weather outside they can't hang out for hours.

We are taking away basic childhood pleasures and rights. At some point that becomes untenable.

There is so much talk about the elderly, NHS staff etc but little about the future i.e children

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Belladonna12 · 13/01/2021 17:24

@EmmanuelleMakro

We shouldn’t have to stop all normal life to ‘save’ a government service. The NHS is not fit for purpose -still fossilised in a 1940s model -sending ‘letters’! We need s new and agile model of health delivery based on what works in other countries.
It's to save lives. If the NHS collapses not only will lives be lost due to Covid but more people will die from other conditions.
trulydelicious · 13/01/2021 17:24

@orientalknife

I for one would refuse to comply

Is this a wind up? You will have to comply with the law like everyone else

FuckOffBorisYouTwat · 13/01/2021 17:25

Well the UK lockdown less hard and much later than everyone else and Sweden didn't lock down at all. Both amongst one of the worst countries in the world.

OakSun · 13/01/2021 17:26

Wrong.

You know it’s not an experiment right?

You know if you were in a car crash right now with your kid, god forbid 999 takes a little longer to answer, the ambulance takes a little longer and A&E staff take a little longer to get to your kid. The NHS A&E staff are doing their best, but the influx of covid patients means other things aren’t happening. Not an experiment or out of choice. There aren’t safe guarded paediatric doctors waiting for infection free kids in A&E. even obs and gynae doctors are being moved to help out.

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orientalknife · 13/01/2021 17:26

It could lead to large scale refusal to comply.

I for one would march at some point

Oh and I used to be a nurse so I understand and empathise with the pressure on the NHS.

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Sparklingbrook · 13/01/2021 17:26

The people in between 'elderly' and 'children' will nobody think of them?

zaffa · 13/01/2021 17:28

But the hospitals are not overfill of 90 year olds taking up beds - they are full of younger groups with a much higher chance of survival with treatment. A 90 year old isn't likely to fair well on ventilation or recovery from it.

I want nothing more than some normality back but you can't pick a random
Date or event and decide lockdown must end then come what may. They need to review the situation at that time and make an informed decision. What if there is a new variant that takes hold and the vaccine isn't effective against it?

trulydelicious · 13/01/2021 17:28

@orientalknife

I for one would march at some point

Are you trying to use MN to summon others to march with you?

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orientalknife · 13/01/2021 17:29

I know other parents on the brink of breakdown with it all who would let their kids mix indoors. Learning alongside their peers is important too.

Who would stop them? And when breaking point is reached and more and more people crack what then? Masses of people put in jail? See that ending well

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OakSun · 13/01/2021 17:29

@orientalknife

They can play in their own home but playing with friends is important for their well being. And if it's freezing and awful weather outside they can't hang out for hours.

We are taking away basic childhood pleasures and rights. At some point that becomes untenable.

There is so much talk about the elderly, NHS staff etc but little about the future i.e children

War is taking away their child’s good rights.

There was a great post by someone who said she had no education for 4 years as a teen whilst living as a refugee in a war zone. She has just finished her pHd.

Yes it is shit, but a parent dying or a kid growing up knowing that granny caught covid from them, or a pattern with long covid who can no longer ride a bike is shit.

It’s shit for everyone and everyone can vent, but not at the extent of others lives.

You know some of the vulnerable you want to let die are also parents/doctors/teachers/lawyers etc? Actually working or were before being asked to shield?

SausagePourHomme · 13/01/2021 17:29

Don't spoil the ship for a ha'porth of tar. It would be ridiculous to rush out of lockdown and undo all the hard work that we've put in, causing a third wave.

Sparklingbrook · 13/01/2021 17:30

Well a march is really not a good idea. What would that solve?

EffOrf · 13/01/2021 17:30

@EmmanuelleMakro

I received a letter today about a flu jab -why??? The local surgery could have texted me.
I got a letter from the main office not my GP, I haven't seen my GP for years, I must check if I am still registered with them, they certainly haven't got my phone no, it's so people don't get missed if they haven't had it.
HazeyJaneII · 13/01/2021 17:31

@EmmanuelleMakro

We shouldn’t have to stop all normal life to ‘save’ a government service. The NHS is not fit for purpose -still fossilised in a 1940s model -sending ‘letters’! We need s new and agile model of health delivery based on what works in other countries.
We get all our nhs communications via email or text.
PhilCornwall1 · 13/01/2021 17:31

@orientalknife

Because life cannot go on like this and we are ruining kid's future
Didn't Handjob say it's impossible to say when the lockdown will end?

It seems to me we reach some milestone they set and then the goalposts move again.

OakSun · 13/01/2021 17:31

@GirlCrush most hospitals have a children’s ward only, some don’t even have that. Children’s only hospitals only exist in major cities and then not for everyone across the country

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orientalknife · 13/01/2021 17:32

It's all shit I get that

No one should die from this disease. And yes I know it's younger people too (but much less likely)

But what of the cost to life of long term hard lockdowns? When people can't feed their family anymore because of massive unemployment and recession. When mental health is jeopardised on a massive scale.

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