So when the vulnerable are vaccinated the lockdown experiment ends right?

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Because life cannot go on like this and we are ruining kid's future

@Porcupineintherough

When there is capacity in hospitals, then restrictions can ease.

Exactly. It's not about what individuals want.

@GirlCrush

not playing with peers is now 'ruining their future'?? seriously?

Having to pay back the bilions and bilions of pounds that have been spunked on lockdown will certainly 'ruin their future' and that of their DC too.

We have utterly destroyed the futures of millions of DC, its just such a shame that their parents (i.e. our generation) have been such a bunch of mugs to allow it.

@GirlCrush

How will your kids mental health be op when ten or twenty years from now they learn generations of people were put at risk so he/she could “play with their peers”.... potentially many died

Our DC's mental and physical health will be utterly shot when they're forced to work until they die in order to repay the cost of the lockdowns.

The irony of Teachers' Unions types claiming that teachers simply must retire on the stroke of 65, whilst also clamouring for lockdowns that will ensure our DC are never able to retire.

Everyone’s kids are suffering, stop being so selfish, the sooner everyone complies the sooner we get this under control

I bloody well hope so.
Get that track and trace working too.
I have been compliant up until now but I am really fed up.
Covid will be around for years, just like flu etc - we can’t be in lockdowns for years.

@Cornettoninja I actually totally agree with you on that respect the underfunding argument doesn't help us now. My thoughts are NHS staff are on their knees, business owners are fucked, mothers are screwed .... and add in as you wish while the government pisses around on full pay and the police are fining people for drinking coffee. None of that shit is fighting a pandemic.

I am sorry that you have been done by this and will leave your job, I think we will see a lot of that in the coming years and that's why I think if no lockdown it would actually force them to develop strategy than be able to blame the public

The irony of Teachers' Unions types claiming that teachers simply must retire on the stroke of 65, whilst also clamouring for lockdowns that will ensure our DC are never able to retire

Do you have any evidence of this?

Exactly agree with you at @Madhairday

‘Pagan101
@WiseUpJanetWeiss in my line of work I've given more than enough to this pandemic so please keep your judgment to yourself. My family and I are not willing to give much more.
The virus doesn't give a damn about how much you've given up for the pandemic. And by deciding that you will allow your children to sleepover, play with others in just four weeks you will just be prolonging it for everyone else’.

How can you not see this?@Pagan101 I just hope you don’t work with the elderly the vulnerable or in a public facing role.

Many of us have been impacted by this in many different ways this is immaterial we all should do what we can for the greater good if we all do the right thing the end is hopefully insight and restrictions will ease. As long as not many have the same selfish attitude as you and your friends. Your attitude seems very churlish and childish I don’t know whether that is due to age and inexperience or something else?

We have utterly destroyed the futures of millions of DC, its just such a shame that their parents (i.e. our generation) have been such a bunch of mugs to allow it

Any evidence for this?

Alright Helen calm down.

@LockdownSucksBalls - there's no way it will finish end Feb. Most people think schools won't go back properly until after Easter. It's really hard but over 1500 deaths today. We're far from out of the woods.

Our DC's mental and physical health will be utterly shot when they're forced to work until they die in order to repay the cost of the lockdowns.

You are sounding a bit hysterical. The effects of lockdown are not going to last for decades. Don't be ridiculous.

The NHS is not fit for purpose... it is brought to its complete knees over a virus that kills less than 1% of the people it infects.... that means 99% of people will survive it!! Fuck me if the NHS can't cope then government needs to stop locking us down and throw all the money we're losing in this lockdown into the NHS to make it fit for purpose.

@Pagan101 - that's a hideously selfish attitude.

@echt

We have utterly destroyed the futures of millions of DC, its just such a shame that their parents (i.e. our generation) have been such a bunch of mugs to allow it

Any evidence for this?

yeah how so?? would LOVE to see the evidence of this as well!

@LockdownSucksBalls I’m in complete agreement with you up to here if no lockdown it would actually force them to develop strategy than be able to blame the public. Your faith in our government is better than mine.

I don’t think there actually is another strategy anyway but coming out of lockdown simply puts the responsibility solely on individuals to resist pressures from society (I’m thinking school fines, conditions for claiming benefits if someone felt unable to attend their workplace due to unsafe practices etc.) to curb the spread. It just wouldn’t happen anywhere nearly effective enough and the government wouldn’t take an iota of responsibility for that if that’s what enough people called for. Meanwhile it’s us that suffer the effects on healthcare availability, mental health and economically.

Lockdowns, tiers, restrictions are all horrendous and it’s a slow moving disaster but our best chance is to act collectively, terrible leadership is what we’ve got to coordinate that unfortunately, but it’s still the best way forward in practically any disaster scenario.

@rainbowdashsneeze - it's not the people who are dead who are overwhelming the NHS.

I really don't think all the younger and non vulnerable workers will go back to their normal workplaces, no sd, no masks, etc., until they're vaccinated. They may be at low risk if they catch covid, but they'll still be reluctant to be back to work as normal. That obviously means there'll continue to be restrictions in some form until everyone is vaccinated.

@rainbowdashsneeze

The NHS is not fit for purpose... it is brought to its complete knees over a virus that kills less than 1% of the people it infects.... that means 99% of people will survive it!! Fuck me if the NHS can't cope then government needs to stop locking us down and throw all the money we're losing in this lockdown into the NHS to make it fit for purpose.

So you want a health service funded and equipt to readily manage a novel easily communicable virus that everybody is suspectible to and happens approximately every 100 years? Note that most people admitted to hospital will not die with medical intervention. My hospital has ten wards out of seventeen full of covid patients.

Good luck with that. There isn’t a model in existence that would provide that.

I just feel they want lockdown to continue indefinitely.

I for one would refuse to comply after that and I've been very good up to now.

Then you'll get fined.

@rainbowdashsneeze 👏 I agree.
Lockdown will cause/has caused so many deaths and it’s bizarre nobody cares about this.

I really don't think all the younger and non vulnerable workers will go back to their normal workplaces, no sd, no masks, etc., until they're vaccinated

TBF that's absolutely their choice to make, but I can't quite see everyone else being prepared to lock down while the least vulnerable make their minds up

Nor employers for that matter, and with so many job losses this really doesn't seem the time for the low risk to get picky

Any evidence for this? (Children's futures ruined)
None, but that's only because it hasn't happened YET. The government are masking it (pun intended) by waving the magic money tree at the problem. But it will happen. Eventually, the powers that be are going to play the card of "there's no money left" (and that's probably when Saint Boris will resign, so he can paint himself as the good guy up to that point), and the shit will really hit the fan. Millions will be unemployed, depressed (many of them children or teenagers), there will be massive tax rises for the poor and middle (not for the rich, of course), some people will be dead through suicide. And the moment, the government is trying to distract us from all that with "if we don't destroy your lives take action, people will die". I'm certain there will be a lot of resignations in government just before the aftermath of their hallowed lockdown sets in: they'll just make it somebody else's problem.

While we are imprisoned at home, bored witness, unable to plan anything because we don't know when this indecisive government will next snatch everything away (probably just after telling us it's all OK, like Saint Boris did with the schools), we have oceans of time to brood on the very bleak future which the government is lovingly preparing for us. The government seem unable to contemplate this reality from their privileged positions, but we have plenty of time to do so.

@Kazzyhoward

I really don't think all the younger and non vulnerable workers will go back to their normal workplaces, no sd, no masks, etc., until they're vaccinated. They may be at low risk if they catch covid, but they'll still be reluctant to be back to work as normal. That obviously means there'll continue to be restrictions in some form until everyone is vaccinated.

I don’t think it will matter about reluctance. Enough will and SD will be dropped.