CEV won’t be fully protected until May onwards 😕

[Acti]

Woke up to news that Oxford has been approved - great!

The entire family were hoping this might mean my CEV parents would be fully protected in February, as the online calculator showed they would be called for their first jab at the end of January (had Oxford vaccinations started last week of Dec).

But now that they are introducing a 12 week wait between both jabs, they won’t receive their first jab until early Feb and won’t get full protection until their second jab in early May.

I just can’t believe this.

This bastard fucking nightmare feels never ending.

RichardMarxisinnocent

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@Cyclingwidow15 Nice user name. Did your DH die in a cycling accident. Because some people’s have.

Also your story is absolute bollocks. No one has private access to vaccines in the U.K. and no one except the trial participants has yet received the Oxford vaccine. Stop spreading dangerous fake news online.
Surely the username is a reference to their DH spending lots of time cycling and thus hardly ever being at home? I read it as meaning rhe same as golf widow

Except there are few people killed directly playing golf.
A crass user name for a naive poster spouting bullshit

Bit of a side issue but one thing that is frustrating to me is that the prioritisation seems to focus only on the risk of dying from covid. Taking a more nuanced view, getting covid would also increase my risk of dying from cancer as it would delay my treatment. My GP surgery hasn't started any vaccinations at all yet apparently so, selfishly (though I'm also thinking of my kids, still selfish i know), I really wish I was higher than 4th on the prioritisation categories. It means there's very little chance I'll have any protection before I am admitted to hospital for my surgery, for example. Obviously at this point in time I am just hoping the hospital can even offer me the surgery of course!

It's fantastic new.... One dose give you 60% which is what we thought was the effectiveness to begin with. Then 3 month later it gets boosted up to 90%... And just think how many more doses can be made during that period!

Anyone that can't see this as a huge positive is just crazy!

@Forgetmenot157

It's fantastic new.... One dose give you 60% which is what we thought was the effectiveness to begin with. Then 3 month later it gets boosted up to 90%... And just think how many more doses can be made during that period!

Anyone that can't see this as a huge positive is just crazy!

The figure given this morning was 70% efficacy 22 days after first dose, then 80% when the second dose is given. More data will be released later showing where those numbers came from.

Before the vaccines were developed, they were talking about efficacies of over 50% being a good result. This really is good news.

www.itv.com/news/2020-12-30/peston-why-governments-decision-to-delay-second-vaccine-dose-is-so-important

This way seems fairer. More people can get the first part sooner.

@Cyclingwidow15

Not in the U.K. they haven't, they are not available to the private sector yet

@midnightstar66

This way seems fairer. More people can get the first part sooner.

It’s nothing to do with fairness, it’s what will prevent the greatest number of deaths.

Well having more people vaccinated will do that, no? There's good results seen from the first dose alone so getting as many people as possible with that makes sense to me. (And also to the scientists etc it seems)

@midnightstar66

Well having more people vaccinated will do that, no? There's good results seen from the first dose alone so getting as many people as possible with that makes sense to me. (And also to the scientists etc it seems)

Yes, but suggesting it’s to do with being fairer is incorrect.

Are people reading the part of the thread where @Cyclingwidow15 has apologised and accepted that they've been had? Clearly not or they have and are just enjoying a wee pile on!

@Hophop26 shielding was reintroduced in November and for Tier 4 areas now. The advice is to go outside carefully for exercise. Depending on where you live and your circumstances people may not feel they can do it carefully.

Fairer to those who desperately needed the vaccine too but would have just missed out with the original programme I'd say!

@Acti

No one in the trial who got at least one dose needed hospital.

Prof Gilbert’s actual quotation had “in the 21 days after receiving the first dose” on the end of it.

I agree with a PP. There is no (public?) data for people who took the second dose 12 weeks later!

I am CV and am in priority group 6. I don’t mind waiting 12 weeks between my jabs. But the CEV should get their vaccinations on the four week schedule. As a PP said, their lives have been put on hold for nearly a year now. They shouldn’t have to wait until May 2021 to be ‘released.’

Everyone’s lives have been put on hold for nearly a year! It’s going to have different effects on different people obviously, but Id say the average 18 year old who had their A Levels screwed over and then missed being able to start university normally missed out on a hell of a lot more than an average person like your parents who are old enough to have adult children. The former will never get that time back, they have sacrificed it for the sake of other people when the virus would have little effect on them. The latter have had their lives on hold to protect themselves when very few of them were likely to be having particularly significant years in their life anyway.

If your argument is about who should be ‘released’ first, then older people who have been shielded should be right at the bottom of the list. Fortunately, it doesn’t work like that, and your parents are incredibly lucky to be getting the vaccine so soon.

100% what @NailsNeedDoing said.

I wish this could be a banner across the whole of MN.

If someone has been inside since March then they can do a few more months, surely. They’re not being exposed so unlikely to occupy a hospital bed, so they should just wait patiently.

@RichardMarxisinnocent Yes, I expect it probably is a reference to her DH spending lots of time cycling. I’m an actual widow and wouldn’t have ‘howmyhusbanddiedwidow’ as a username, because that’s crass and insensitive.

I know it’s tough OP, but perhaps think of it in reverse - you’re CEV parents are now more likely to get a jab earlier. Over 75s is a big category, and there’s no guarantee your parents would be front of the queue if providing two doses first and limiting the number of people getting it.

Now they’re far more likely to have a degree of protection earlier - there’s no questioning that that is a very good thing for them and your family!

@ChloeCrocodile

However, I just have to vent because I feel that the CEV have been largely forgotten about.

Except that is completely untrue. The economy has taken the biggest hit in decades, millions of school children have lost big chunks of their education, thousands upon thousands have lost jobs or are likely to soon. All in order to reduce the spread of a virus which has little effect on the majority of people. My personal risk of dying from COVID is pretty much zero, but I’ve still given up absolutely loads this year. It’s really quite offensive to accuse people of “forgetting” about CEV people after everything which has been done (nationally) to protect them.

@ChloeCrocodile

Extremely well said. Many of us have given up a huge amount to protect the CEV. Which is right and moral but should absolutely be acknowledged

Presumably they have decided that more people getting one dose quickly is better than less getting both doses quickly. They’re never going to please everyone I guess.

@Em777 No, I can’t know that. But basic maths tells us that it’s likely. Average incubation 5-7 days. Average time from onset of symptoms to hospitalisation, 7 days+. Therefore is it extremely likely that that person was exposed to the virus before they had the vaccine.

Extremely well said. Many of us have given up a huge amount to protect the CEV. Which is right and moral but should absolutely be acknowledged

I'm not sure people have given up much to protect younger CEV. The focus is all being on elderly people. Younger CEV have either been indoors shielding and looking after themselves or they have had to go out to work and/or look after children in school. Younger CEV aren't even a high priority for the vaccine. The only chance of getting the vaccine in the next few months will be if older people get one dose and then have to wait for a few months but some people don't seem happy with that.

Just popping on with some  for @iVampire & @nether. The uncertainty and shifting parameters are tough to take.

@MadameBlobby

Presumably they have decided that more people getting one dose quickly is better than less getting both doses quickly. They’re never going to please everyone I guess.

Yes exactly. There’s always people who will complain at whatever they do. This is a good thing for the majority of people and for the UK in general.

I'm sure this has been worked out on the maths of providing the most protection overall in terms of keeping mass numbers of people alive and out of hospital vs keeping a very few people very safe by having both jabs and leaving the masses catching it.

If more general population have had one jab, then they're less likely to catch it and pass it on, meaning the R number will plummet making it safer for those like my 94 y

@Cyclingwidow15

I know someone who is young and healthy, they’ve had the vaccine through their work. It’s a private company that has paid for all employees to have it. This person is not CEV, they have since caught the virus before having a second dose. How much protection is one dose supposed to give in terms of percentage?

Well there are two porky pies in this post