CEV won’t be fully protected until May onwards 😕

[Acti]

Woke up to news that Oxford has been approved - great!

The entire family were hoping this might mean my CEV parents would be fully protected in February, as the online calculator showed they would be called for their first jab at the end of January (had Oxford vaccinations started last week of Dec).

But now that they are introducing a 12 week wait between both jabs, they won’t receive their first jab until early Feb and won’t get full protection until their second jab in early May.

I just can’t believe this.

This bastard fucking nightmare feels never ending.

Logistically, I don't think there is alternative.

There isn't enough staff for hospitals.
There isn't enough staff for vaccine clinics.

What else are they supposed to do?

You can't magic staff and vaccines from no where even with all the money and other resources the country has to throw at the problem.

We always knew this would be an issue - people haven't had their expectations managed over the reality of this.

They kept the 12 week thing quiet. What a waste of time.

[quote Cyclingwidow15]@Grobagsforever
Wow I did not expect that response at all and just for the record I am pro vaccination and not an anti vaxer. I’m in the UK and this is genuine, they work for a bank and have been getting private weekly tests for all staff as well as being offered the vaccine and yes they have tested positive after the first dose. I’m sorry if I offended anyone that was not the intention of my post. I’m really annoyed at this person for selfishly taking up a vaccine that they didn’t need when there are so many CEV including my own parents who are nowhere near getting the vaccine and are having to shield until it’s safe to come out.[/quote]
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Yesterday the NHS Chief Simon Stevens said he hoped that the 22 million vulnerable would be vaccinated before late spring (both doses) - so why is it now better to give one dose to the 'at risk' with the next one 12 weeks later? Why not stick to the more ambitious plan to vaccinate all vulnerable by late Spring? We should have 40 million doses of the Oxford vaccine by the end of March, plus the Pfizer.

Seems to be an excuse for vaccinating more slowly...

[quote Cyclingwidow15]@Moondust001maybe I’ve been spun a lie by my source then [/quote]
Yes you have.

@cyclingwidow15 I'm not sure it stops you catching it, it stops you having serious symptoms that require hospitalisation. So your friend hopefully will have had a less severe version because she's had one dose of the vaccine. That's my (limited) understanding anyway

@Cyclingwidow15

I know someone who is young and healthy, they’ve had the vaccine through their work. It’s a private company that has paid for all employees to have it. This person is not CEV, they have since caught the virus before having a second dose. How much protection is one dose supposed to give in terms of percentage?

Really? This goes against WHO guidelines of fair vaccine rollout. No amount of money should allow the rich to bypass the queue.

@Cyclingwidow15 there are no privately available Covid vaccines in the UK. None at all. Crossed wires somewhere I think

@Cyclingwidow15

I know someone who is young and healthy, they’ve had the vaccine through their work. It’s a private company that has paid for all employees to have it. This person is not CEV, they have since caught the virus before having a second dose. How much protection is one dose supposed to give in terms of percentage?

No one has had the vaccine “privately”. It’s currently only available through the N H S

@Cyclingwidow15

I know someone who is young and healthy, they’ve had the vaccine through their work. It’s a private company that has paid for all employees to have it. This person is not CEV, they have since caught the virus before having a second dose. How much protection is one dose supposed to give in terms of percentage?

Nope.

People should remember this isn't a covid CURE it serves only to reduce symptoms and reduce chance of catching it.

It's also not life long immunity - no one knows if it will actually last longer than 6 months

And anyway the vaccine should be going to frontline doctors and nurses first since lockdowns have only been implemented to "save the NHS" it's becoming overwhelmed at the moment in part due to the sheer numbers of medical staff off ill or isolating. The Elderly like your parents should be behind them in the queue

@Cyclingwidow15

Might want to start taking what your 'friends' tell you with a pinch of salt.

People should remember this isn't a covid CURE it serves only to reduce symptoms and reduce chance of catching it.

If it means people have no symptoms it is effectively prevention.

Not saying you should do this @Cyclingwidow15, but I would be very interested to see your friend's reaction if you told them that you shared their story with someone who's reported it as a case of corporate fraud and NHS corruption and now the police will want to interview them. For whatever reason they've made this up to cause trouble and fear.

Incidentally, I've reported posts like this before as dangerous misinformation but @MNHQ have said they prefer to leave them so they can be challenged on the thread. I appreciate that has happened here, but I find it strange when MN have been much more proactive about other potentially damaging posts.

@viques

The 21 days between first and second doses was never really a feasible proposition was it? If you think about it it means that 21 days after the first wave of vaccinations the daily demand for vaccinations would double as second vaccination candidates would be presenting for their second dose as remaining first vaccination candidates presented for their first dose. And this would continue daily. There simply aren’t enough practitioners to deal with administering first dose vaccinations, let alone doubling up the work load to offer first and second dose .

Yet another smoke and mirrors promise that on examination doesn’t work.

My elderly parents have already had their 1st vaccination and are booked in for their 2nd on 8th January. The organisation by their PHT has been superb.

@Viviennemary

They kept the 12 week thing quiet. What a waste of time.

This probably contributed to the delay of the Oxford vaccine being approved. If more people can have some protection quicker how is this not more beneficial for society as a whole?

Not sure if you have been following the rest of the Covid-19 news regarding increasing transmission, hospital admissions and NHS staff stretched to the limit.

Best to share resources as far and wide as possible for all of society.

A vaccine is coming, it's still great news, imagine life right now if there wasn't one? And the teams of people who advise on distribution know what they are doing. Should we just trust them?

@starfro

No one in the trial who got at least one dose needed hospital.

That’s incorrect. A person was hospitalised 10 days after receiving their first dose. See table 5:

www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2820%2932661-1

I'm cev, I'll have my arm ready for my first shot and over the moon that it will protect me from severe illness and death.

@Cyclingwidow15

It may just be possible that your friend is getting a weekly test through their workplace, but as others have said, there is no way they have been offered the vaccine.

@Cyclingwidow15 Nice user name. Did your DH die in a cycling accident. Because some people’s have.

Also your story is absolute bollocks. No one has private access to vaccines in the U.K. and no one except the trial participants has yet received the Oxford vaccine. Stop spreading dangerous fake news online.

I think lots of people forget that the vaccine is not meant to save lives/restore feeedoms on an individual level - it's a strategy to save lives at the population level, and end the economic fallout due to lockdown.

@Cyclingwidow15

I know someone who is young and healthy, they’ve had the vaccine through their work. It’s a private company that has paid for all employees to have it. This person is not CEV, they have since caught the virus before having a second dose. How much protection is one dose supposed to give in terms of percentage?

You can’t get it privately in the U.K.

I hadn't heard of the change to twelve weeks. Just googled and found - in relation to the Astra Zeneca rather than the Pfizer one

"The vaccine’s dosage will also speed up the programme. The MHRA has approved a dosing regimen of two doses at an interval of between 4 and 12 weeks that in trials proved 100 per cent successful in preventing severedisease."

It's a different drug to the pfizer one - there's no more rationale for assuming there should only be a three week interval between doses than saying the Oxford/AZ one would be better if it was stored at -70c.

Both will be not necessarily in short supply, but in a logistical nightmare of administering to those most in need - I don't think many people will have the option to rock up for an appointment and choose what they fancy.
But, hey, if you're offered the AZ vaccine and you decide to say no thanks, I'll wait for the other one because I only have to wait three weeks for the second dose, good luck with that.

@Yetanothernamechange2020

Yesterday the NHS Chief Simon Stevens said he hoped that the 22 million vulnerable would be vaccinated before late spring (both doses) - so why is it now better to give one dose to the 'at risk' with the next one 12 weeks later? Why not stick to the more ambitious plan to vaccinate all vulnerable by late Spring? We should have 40 million doses of the Oxford vaccine by the end of March, plus the Pfizer.

Seems to be an excuse for vaccinating more slowly...

On the contrary, it means they are vaccinating more quickly.

@Em777, that person was almost certainly already incubating the virus when they received the vaccination.