CEV won’t be fully protected until May onwards 😕

[Acti]

Woke up to news that Oxford has been approved - great!

The entire family were hoping this might mean my CEV parents would be fully protected in February, as the online calculator showed they would be called for their first jab at the end of January (had Oxford vaccinations started last week of Dec).

But now that they are introducing a 12 week wait between both jabs, they won’t receive their first jab until early Feb and won’t get full protection until their second jab in early May.

I just can’t believe this.

This bastard fucking nightmare feels never ending.

@Cyclingwidow15 Someone "telling you something" does not equal truth

cyclingwidow mentions a source. Probably a friend of a friend on Facebook.

I haven’t seen my elderly parents since March. They haven’t left their house even for a walk. Don’t you even dare try to insinuate we are the selfish ones

Well there are lots of different ways of being selfish.

Thinking people you care about should get protection while other people shouldn't just because you don't happen to care about them does sound pretty selfish.

Vaccines are a population wide measure, it's not about you or your parents or anyone else in particular, it's about what is best for the whole population.

what's CEV?

@mocktail

My understanding is that the elderly are at higher risk than younger ECV, hence the priority list.

Not is not necessarily true. It was done this way as a vast majority of ECV are older so it the gov decided this would be the easiest way. They were then slightly bumped up a couple of groups.

And anyway the vaccine should be going to frontline doctors and nurses first since lockdowns have only been implemented to "save the NHS" it's becoming overwhelmed at the moment in part due to the sheer numbers of medical staff off ill or isolating. The Elderly like your parents should be behind them in the queue

My DD says her friend (a nurse at Kings in London) had her first vaccination yesterday. Apparently, she is also tested twice a week for Covid with the lateral flow tests. I am not a fan of this government, but my personal experience is that the roll out of the vaccine has been excellent.

@billycat321 extremely clinically vulnerable to Covid. The people who were asked to shield to save the NHS.

Why are people jumping on the OP, she was just venting because she was diss appointed she wouldn’t see her parents for even longer than expected.

For what it’s worth @Acti, having the first lot of vaccine will offer them some protection. And then hopefully, they will have both by the summer and you can visit then.

@CancerCovidQuestion

Thanks *@RaggieDolls*, yes if this means we all get some protection sooner then it's good news imo! And to the poster saying even CEV people will most likely only have Covid mildly, for some of us this isn't just about Covid. I am having weekly chemo and need surgery very soon after that finishes, Covid would delay the potentially life saving treatment I need for my cancer whether I had it badly or not. I also need my hospital to be able to function and again more CEV people with some protection should help with that.

I really hope your treatment continues as planned @CancerCovidQuestion.

My friend has had a kidney transplant so relies on hospital treatment for other conditions continuing. I really hope you are both vaccinated sooner now. It does sound like that will be the case.

Vaccinating more people with one dose has got to make more sense than vaccinating some people with two doses, and it does come across selfish to be upset about that.

While I understand disappointment if you were expecting something else, were still at the stage where we should just be extremely thankful that a vaccine has been created instead of being pissed off not to get it before other people who need it equally as much.

No one in the trial who got at least one dose needed hospital.

I too would like to know the age profile of the trialists. I applied for the trial but was rejected as being over 60.

As I was only month over sixty, it felt like quite the blow. Now I'm very keen to know what ages groups were included in the trials.

I am not a fan of this government, but my personal experience is that the roll out of the vaccine has been excellent.

The government aren't the ones rolling it out.

I’m sorry if I offended anyone that was not the intention of my post. I’m really annoyed at this person for selfishly taking up a vaccine that they didn’t need...

You should be more annoyed with this person for lying to you

Surely double the people getting one dose does more for herd immunity which is ultimately what protects the CEV population so you should see it as a positive. If they have chosen to not go outside for a walk that is their choice but even the tier 4 guidance says the CEV group can go outside for exercise.

@NailsNeedDoing

Vaccinating more people with one dose has got to make more sense than vaccinating some people with two doses, and it does come across selfish to be upset about that.

While I understand disappointment if you were expecting something else, were still at the stage where we should just be extremely thankful that a vaccine has been created instead of being pissed off not to get it before other people who need it equally as much.

The aim previously was to have all vulnerable (approx 22 million) vaccinated by late Spring- and now that has changed to the at risk receiving their first dose by late Spring - so it's ok to be disappointed by that.

@Turquoisesofa

That’s great.

My point was that if the 21 day between doses procedure is continued the workload doubles after 21 days as new and existing patients both require slots and HCP support. I hope your PCT has allocated additional resources to cover this.

It’s got to be a good thing to give everyone some form of protection because then your CEV parents are less likely to catch it. It should mean there will be less virus circulating to transmit.

OP feelings are running very high so I don't think you will get much sympathy here. Your feelings are your feelings though and of course your natural instinct is to think of your parents. I'm sure there are many out there who are also utterly desperate to get vaccinated asap for their own reasons. It matters more to some than others in terms of it being a life-saving thing.

But honestly, I agree with other people too. Your parents are actually risking their health by staying in all the time. It will have its own knock on effects. Walking is one of the very best things anyone can do to promote/preserve physical health so I'd be very concerned if any relative of mine sat in their house for months. And the more people are vaccinated, the less at risk your parents actually are so vaccinating as many as possible keeps them safer too (one example being we have lots of hcp's off sick right now. That doesn't benefit vulnerable people). Whatever cries there have been of selfishness, the country has absolutely crippled itself to save as many lives as possible and ensure we still have a health care system which is there to help people. I hope people appreciate that sacrifice because for many it's been immense. I have a small group of friends on Facebook who are CEV and between them they have spent this entire year posting several times a month about how horrendously selfish society is being and it is so inappropriate when so many have lost so much.

"If it mutates, how much protection give in any case, does anyone really know."

It doesn't mutate in the way HIV does. The spike mutates. Both vaccines tells our immune systems it's there and we then attack and block the virus in different ways. So even if the spike mutates are immune system will still be ready for action against it.

As long as the over 75's who refuse the vaccine have DNRs in place and understand that the NHS will be limited in what they can do, then seeing as the vaccine doesn't stop transmission, they are within their rights to refuse and will hardly pose much of a threat to others. Yes it's selfish, but I believe in civil liberties.

@Benjispruce2

It’s got to be a good thing to give everyone some form of protection because then your CEV parents are less likely to catch it. It should mean there will be less virus circulating to transmit.

Was just coming on to say the same. There will be fewer people to catch it from, so that will also help your parents.

If they roll Oxford out to as many people alongside 4-6 weeks of fairly strict restrictions (including I think secondary schools being online) and the PFizer vaccine that is better.

Lower community spread, lower transmission means lower hospital numbers and safer for CEV patients and things can get moving.

That approach (done correctly and efficiently) is the best way forward for everyone. The new strain I think is a gamechanger in that reducing transmission and spread has to be the priority to keep everyone safe that just wasnt there 2 weeks ago

OP, my parents are in the same position as yours, and they support the 12 week method. Surely it's better to provide a good level of protection to more people as soon as possible. You have to consider the wider picture here.

OP, as said there has been no need for them to stay housebound and you not plan a outside visit. We had low enough rates over summer and hotels were open again.

This is a better solution.
It allows a greater amount of the population to have a good degree of protection from serious illness rather than a smaller amount of the population having more certain protection whilst everyone else has nothing.
Remember, we don’t yet know if the vaccine will stop people being able to spread the disease.
Offering some degree of protection more widely will ease pressure on hospitals as well as allowing the country to open up little be little in the nearer future than if the vaccine was trickling slowly through the population.

It might seem like a blow to those individuals who are at the biggest risk, but they will still have a good degree of protection for now and knowing that they will be having the second dose within another 12 weeks surely feels reassuring? It’s not that long to wait compared to what has happened.

I’m sorry you’re disappointed, but we are all in this together. I have spent the last 10 months abiding by every rule, homeschooling, I didn’t take advantage of eat out to help out or travel outside of my county and many others across the country will have done the same. I didn’t do this for my benefit. I’m not vulnerable, I’m not scared. I did it for the benefit of strangers who are vulnerable. It was ‘for the greater good’ I’m sorry that people are disappointed that they will have to wait a little longer for greater protection against the virus, but sharing the vaccine across the population is also for the greater good.

I'm very pro vaccine, but I find this worrying. The data on leaving a longer gap between vaccines has not been published (nor does it seem that the majority of the vaccine trial was set up with that test). Nor has the data been clear on what if any of the trial was on vulnerable people- yes the Oxford trial was on older people but not those who were vulnerable.

So in short, this is possibly (depending on the data re the longer gap) a better option for the majority (including CEV) but for those with CEV concerns it does potentially mean longer isolation to the summer.