CEV won’t be fully protected until May onwards 😕

[Acti]

Woke up to news that Oxford has been approved - great!

The entire family were hoping this might mean my CEV parents would be fully protected in February, as the online calculator showed they would be called for their first jab at the end of January (had Oxford vaccinations started last week of Dec).

But now that they are introducing a 12 week wait between both jabs, they won’t receive their first jab until early Feb and won’t get full protection until their second jab in early May.

I just can’t believe this.

This bastard fucking nightmare feels never ending.

@Brunt0n

Now really isn’t the time to be selfish. The more people who get the first dose, the quickest, is best

I haven’t seen my elderly parents since March. They haven’t left their house even for a walk. Don’t you even dare try to insinuate we are the selfish ones. Go vent your ire at those having illegal house parties - they’re the selfish ones.

@Cyclingwidow15

I know someone who is young and healthy, they’ve had the vaccine through their work. It’s a private company that has paid for all employees to have it. This person is not CEV, they have since caught the virus before having a second dose. How much protection is one dose supposed to give in terms of percentage?

No they haven't because the vaccines are not being provided to private concerns.

The online calculator is totally rubbish. I wouldn't pay much attention to it.

@NoSleepInTheHeat

Kind of a selfish POV. Better have more people with some level of protection asap than only a subset with full protection, no?

Please not that I am talking about the subset who, to protect the NHS not just themselves, were in isolation for months.

For whom the effect of their CEV comorbidity on vaccine effectiveness is not fully known. And so are the ones who it will be least safe to release from restriction.

Who are the pretty much the only ones whose expected date of 'safety' has gone back, not been brought forwards.

@Cyclingwidow15

I know someone who is young and healthy, they’ve had the vaccine through their work. It’s a private company that has paid for all employees to have it. This person is not CEV, they have since caught the virus before having a second dose. How much protection is one dose supposed to give in terms of percentage?

I’m assuming this person is not in the UK as the vaccine is not for sale and also that, if this is in fact the case, obviously they didn’t have the Oxford vaccine so either Pfizer or one of the other ones (Chinese or Russian?) vaccine that are out?

@Cyclingwidow15

I know someone who is young and healthy, they’ve had the vaccine through their work. It’s a private company that has paid for all employees to have it. This person is not CEV, they have since caught the virus before having a second dose. How much protection is one dose supposed to give in terms of percentage?

Lies.

@nether

Yes, it's a long time to wait, and I think quite a lot of people's hopes have been dashed by this.

Especially the younger CEV, who knew there were millions ahead of them in the queue, but still had hopes of full protection somewhat earlier than the change from 21 days to 12 weeks before part 2

If anything this should add more hope, those younger CEV will have a chance of getting the 1st dose quicker and more people having 1 dose, vs fewer people getting the 2 doses quicker, means less chance of getting infected by someone in the first place and more hospital resources available if you need them.

I haven’t seen my elderly parents since March. They haven’t left their house even for a walk

Your choice and theirs. There is no risk attached to a walk outside, especially in the spring and summer when it was warm and the virus levels dropped to virtually nothing after the first lockdown. You could have also gone to see them even if you kept your distance.

Your reaction to the virus is not the government's concern.

@Acti yep those people are selfish, 100%

But expecting your parents to have 2 doses rather than 2 people have 1 dose, which would be enough to keep them out of hospital, is selfish.

So they give your mum and dad 2 doses, and that means no doses for Mr and Mrs Smith down the road... they can just wait a bit longer? That’s why it’s selfish. Everyone wants their vulnerable protected. Do you think they’re the only ones who have been shielding? At least they have each other. Many vulnerable people have essentially been locked in their house alone for 10 months.

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel

I think the decision is based on the fact that the first dose protects you and the second makes the protection last long term. Sarah Gilbert said nobody was hospitalised after their first dose.

She did indeed say no one was hospitalised after their first dose.

However... If you think about the time of year when those doses were given... much less virus spreading in the community than there is now?

Also, those in the trial were only without a second dose for four weeks, not 12?

So it’s more accurate to say “no one was hospitalised in the first four weeks after getting their first dose.”

But expecting your parents to have 2 doses rather than 2 people have 1 dose, which would be enough to keep them out of hospital, is selfish

Why parents

CEV isn't the elderly

Have some patience, and even for just one bloody day, a bit of gratitude that your parents are still here and will be protected soon

I know someone who is young and healthy, they’ve had the vaccine through their work. It’s a private company that has paid for all employees to have it.

Bollocks, no private companies have access to vaccine to sell at the moment.

@annevonkleve

I haven’t seen my elderly parents since March. They haven’t left their house even for a walk

Your choice and theirs. There is no risk attached to a walk outside, especially in the spring and summer when it was warm and the virus levels dropped to virtually nothing after the first lockdown. You could have also gone to see them even if you kept your distance.

Your reaction to the virus is not the government's concern.

Not my choice actually. We live at opposite ends of the country.

I think all CEV should get the vaccination on a four week schedule, yes. There’s nothing selfish about that. We need to give CEV as much protection as possible, as quickly as possible.

@nether

But expecting your parents to have 2 doses rather than 2 people have 1 dose, which would be enough to keep them out of hospital, is selfish

Why parents

CEV isn't the elderly

Because that’s who the OP was about 🤦🏼‍♀️

“ The entire family were hoping this might mean my CEV parents would be fully protected in February, as the online calculator showed they would be called for their first jab at the end of January (had Oxford vaccinations started last week of Dec).”

I'm CEV and I'm happy with this approach.

@Cyclingwidow15

I know someone who is young and healthy, they’ve had the vaccine through their work. It’s a private company that has paid for all employees to have it. This person is not CEV, they have since caught the virus before having a second dose. How much protection is one dose supposed to give in terms of percentage?

It is not possible to buy this vaccine

@Cyclingwidow15

I know someone who is young and healthy, they’ve had the vaccine through their work. It’s a private company that has paid for all employees to have it. This person is not CEV, they have since caught the virus before having a second dose. How much protection is one dose supposed to give in terms of percentage?

This simply isn't true. No vaccine is available commercially at the moment.

@annevonkleve

I haven’t seen my elderly parents since March. They haven’t left their house even for a walk

Your choice and theirs. There is no risk attached to a walk outside, especially in the spring and summer when it was warm and the virus levels dropped to virtually nothing after the first lockdown. You could have also gone to see them even if you kept your distance.

Your reaction to the virus is not the government's concern.

Not leaving their house, even for a walk is quite ridiculous and not good for their health at all.

If it mutates, how much protection give in any case, does anyone really know.
I only know four people that have had covid, their ages are 98, 83, and 85 all have underlying health conditions, emphysema, copd and lung cancer. One had no symptoms and infected the other two and they’ve had a mild cold.
None of them are having the vaccine.

*Does it give

Yes absolute bollox about private workplace jabs. My friend works in a school and has been looking into this and in this country both vaccines are currently licence for NHS distribution only. Utter bollox unless they've maybe bought it from China or Russia but I can't see how they'd have managed to import it.

Do you think they’re the only ones who have been shielding?

That's why I've been talking about the entire CEV group, as distinct from other elderly, given that the testing was different.

But hell, we're just being selfish for saying how disappointed we are

I need to step away. It's been a tough year, and my end in sight has just gone backwards. No one ever seems to care about the group who has had the shittiest end of the stick throughout, and I'm done

I’m classed as CEV (got Covid back in March and wasn’t seriously ill but very much have some form of long Covid now). I’ve barely left the house - currently cooped up with 3 small children as we are in London so rates are soaring. I’m relieved at this morning’s news and happy that I’ll get some form of vaccine soon (and that DH who works for the NHS and is v busy) will also be vaccinated. My bigger concern is the uptake of the vaccine. During my v brief interactions with others (on the school run for example) they’ll comment on how tough it must be to have to shield. I’ll often reply with a breezy “well at least I’ll get the vaccine soon I guess - fingers crossed” - and SO many reply with “oooh you’re not really going to have that are you?” It scares me that we have been given a way out of this and many people won’t take it.

CEV here. One dose means I am unlikely to die if I do get covid before the second dose. I'll take that.
Anyone CEV does not need to stay in the house, in fact that is likely to be harmful to health.