CEV won’t be fully protected until May onwards 😕

[Acti]

Woke up to news that Oxford has been approved - great!

The entire family were hoping this might mean my CEV parents would be fully protected in February, as the online calculator showed they would be called for their first jab at the end of January (had Oxford vaccinations started last week of Dec).

But now that they are introducing a 12 week wait between both jabs, they won’t receive their first jab until early Feb and won’t get full protection until their second jab in early May.

I just can’t believe this.

This bastard fucking nightmare feels never ending.

the online calculator showed they would be called for their first jab at the end of January (had Oxford vaccinations started last week of Dec)

Don't hold your breath for Jan. I have a 90 yr old CEV relative with cancer at home who was flagged as being in December due to high priority status (top after CEVs in care homes and health staff). Not heard a thing so far and neither her cancer centre nor the area GPs have info on when they can start vaccinating.

At the same time I'm seeing otherwise healthy 70 sometimes getting vaccinated and wondering how people are being called. Its frustrating but less because of the wait and more due to lack of any clarity or plan.

The 12 week wait is not automatically bad for CEVs. The logic is to reduce the overall spread more rapidly which will mean greater overall protection for everyone but implicitly for those more at risk.

@Acti - all the trial data is published in the Lancet and you can read it for free.

CEV people will be getting less protection from the vaccine, but more protection from herd immunity. Not sure which will have the greater effect but I presume they’ve modelled it and decided the herd immunity is more beneficial.

Grobagsforever, in fairness, on re-reading they didn't claim to be in the UK.

If the Oxford vaccine is proven to give protection from serious illness after just one dose, I'm sure plenty of people would rather have double the amount of people protected ASAP.

Thanks @RaggieDolls, yes if this means we all get some protection sooner then it's good news imo!
And to the poster saying even CEV people will most likely only have Covid mildly, for some of us this isn't just about Covid. I am having weekly chemo and need surgery very soon after that finishes, Covid would delay the potentially life saving treatment I need for my cancer whether I had it badly or not. I also need my hospital to be able to function and again more CEV people with some protection should help with that.

@Suzi888

If it mutates, how much protection give in any case, does anyone really know. I only know four people that have had covid, their ages are 98, 83, and 85 all have underlying health conditions, emphysema, copd and lung cancer. One had no symptoms and infected the other two and they’ve had a mild cold. None of them are having the vaccine.

@Suzi888

Sorry you know so many selfish people

I need to step away. It's been a tough year, and my end in sight has just gone backwards. No one ever seems to care about the group who has had the shittiest end of the stick throughout, and I'm done

We've bankrupted the country to protect the vulnerable. People have lost great businesses and others have lost their jobs. We are all done.

really need to know the figures of how many need to take it in order to protect the NHS and allow the economy to open up.

15 million people is what I read.

@HibernatingTill2030

Grobagsforever, in fairness, on re-reading they didn't claim to be in the UK.

If the Oxford vaccine is proven to give protection from serious illness after just one dose, I'm sure plenty of people would rather have double the amount of people protected ASAP.

@HibernatingTill2030

True. Buts it's just a selfish, irresponsible troll-ey post. And whether they are UK or not it's still probably bollocks that they got sick after vaccine

This is good news for the CEV - it means they will get their first dose (and therefore some protection) earlier than if they had stuck to the original plan.

I saw about an 85-year-old worried about the “long-term effects” of the vaccine so wouldn’t be having it. There are some horribly selfish people in this world.

I know someone who is young and healthy, they’ve had the vaccine through their work. It’s a private company that has paid for all employees to have it. This person is not CEV, they have since caught the virus before having a second dose. How much protection is one dose supposed to give in terms of percentage?

As others have stated this is a lie. No private company in the UK is able to buy any of the two vaccines which have been approved. I know because a relative owns a large company who deal with providing travel and flu vaccines to private clients. They don’t even have a date for when they are going to be able to buy a Corona vaccine.

@Suzi888 Perhaps Suzi's friends have decided to take their chances on having natural immunity? It's still really unclear how having Covid itself then translates into natural immunity, it seems likely it offers quite good protection, probably as good as the vaccine at 60% (although I don't know this and I don't know if this has been modelled).

The Oxford vaccine is great in some ways- cheaper, easily stored, and we have lots of it coming (unlike Pfizer) but it's not amazing efficacy at one jab, which is a shame, Pfizer is 90% effective at one jab. So, there we are. It might be better for those with allergies/severe allergic reactions to have- we just don't know yet.

Saying something didn't happen in the trial- well no-one in the Pfizer trial had an allergic reaction to the vaccine, but plenty have now it's in the real world, so there is an experimental aspect to taking this. I would still take one dose of either though if I were offered it (over 50 but nothing wrong with me).

It would be great if only gave one dose of Pfeizer also, as threat immediately increases the number of people being vaccinated.

@IrmaFayLear

I saw about an 85-year-old worried about the “long-term effects” of the vaccine so wouldn’t be having it. There are some horribly selfish people in this world.

There's no vaccine for stupidity, unfortunately

I was clinically extremely vulnerable at one point and I will be again. Whilst I sympathise with your parents I think you're being a bit selfish. I think it is better to have a delay so that they can vaccinate people more quickly .The first jab will give a high amount of protection.

I saw about an 85-year-old worried about the “long-term effects” of the vaccine so wouldn’t be having it. There are some horribly selfish people in this world.

I'm quite happy with 85-year-olds turning it down at the moment. It means there is more vaccine younger clinically extremely vulnerable people.

@Cyclingwidow15

I know someone who is young and healthy, they’ve had the vaccine through their work. It’s a private company that has paid for all employees to have it. This person is not CEV, they have since caught the virus before having a second dose. How much protection is one dose supposed to give in terms of percentage?

Hmmm. Which country is that? I am interested because the only young and healthy people eligible for the vaccine in any country i know - and that's a lot of countries - are those working in health care or social care. None of which is paid for "privately by the company" on the basis that the vaccine manufacturers have binding ethics codes which prohibit private sales of this sort. So there will be a lot of regulatory bodies very interested in that sale you claim to know about.

And no amount of the vaccine, any vaccine, makes you immune to the virus. I thought that was well understood by now. It reduces your risk of catching it, and substantially reduces the risk of a severe infection.

@Grobagsforever
Wow I did not expect that response at all and just for the record I am pro vaccination and not an anti vaxer. I’m in the UK and this is genuine, they work for a bank and have been getting private weekly tests for all staff as well as being offered the vaccine and yes they have tested positive after the first dose. I’m sorry if I offended anyone that was not the intention of my post. I’m really annoyed at this person for selfishly taking up a vaccine that they didn’t need when there are so many CEV including my own parents who are nowhere near getting the vaccine and are having to shield until it’s safe to come out.

@Moondust001maybe I’ve been spun a lie by my source then

Vaccine is only part of the protection for CEV the other bit is community spread.

So if you get 2 vaccinations but community spread is very high the chances of getting it is higher than if you vaccinate more people (I think Oxford does reduce transmission).

because Cyclingwidow is right you can still get it even if you have being vaccination (certainly once) but actually the best protection is a vaccine and low numbers in the community (it is how most vaccinated diseases are kept at bay)

The initial plan was before this strain hit where it made sense to do two doses close together to protect as many as possible. Now I think to protect as many as possible (including CEV) more people need to

www.wired.com/story/does-the-astrazeneca-vaccine-also-stop-covid-transmission/

Which is why the Pfizer vaccine should be for those who need it (and one jab does give at least 80% but not reduce transmission) and get as many of us as possible on the Oxford which does seem to reduce transmission

[quote Cyclingwidow15]@Grobagsforever
Wow I did not expect that response at all and just for the record I am pro vaccination and not an anti vaxer. I’m in the UK and this is genuine, they work for a bank and have been getting private weekly tests for all staff as well as being offered the vaccine and yes they have tested positive after the first dose. I’m sorry if I offended anyone that was not the intention of my post. I’m really annoyed at this person for selfishly taking up a vaccine that they didn’t need when there are so many CEV including my own parents who are nowhere near getting the vaccine and are having to shield until it’s safe to come out.[/quote]
Somebody is winding you up. It's not available to people who work in banks (assuming nobody over 80 is working in a bank). Nobody can get it privately at the moment.

Well the bank worker who told you they got the vaccine privately in the U.K. is not telling the truth. Which therefore means they didn’t get Covid after the first jab.

Your friend has deliberately lied to you or confused about the flu vaccine, which is widely available privately (I used to work for a company that offered this for free every year to all employees)