CEV won’t be fully protected until May onwards 😕

[Acti]

Woke up to news that Oxford has been approved - great!

The entire family were hoping this might mean my CEV parents would be fully protected in February, as the online calculator showed they would be called for their first jab at the end of January (had Oxford vaccinations started last week of Dec).

But now that they are introducing a 12 week wait between both jabs, they won’t receive their first jab until early Feb and won’t get full protection until their second jab in early May.

I just can’t believe this.

This bastard fucking nightmare feels never ending.

@nether

But expecting your parents to have 2 doses rather than 2 people have 1 dose, which would be enough to keep them out of hospital, is selfish

Why parents

CEV isn't the elderly

Because people are replying to the OP who is talking about her CEV parents

@nether

Do you think they’re the only ones who have been shielding?

That's why I've been talking about the entire CEV group, as distinct from other elderly, given that the testing was different.

But hell, we're just being selfish for saying how disappointed we are

I need to step away. It's been a tough year, and my end in sight has just gone backwards. No one ever seems to care about the group who has had the shittiest end of the stick throughout, and I'm done

I'd say that those that have died, or lost loved ones have had it tougher.

Also those that have lost jobs.

I'm CEV but losing my job terrifies me far more than getting Covid, which even if you're CEV is most likely to be mild.

I know someone who is young and healthy, they’ve had the vaccine through their work. It’s a private company that has paid for all employees to have it. This person is not CEV, they have since caught the virus before having a second dose. How much protection is one dose supposed to give in terms of percentage?

Are they in the UK? Because paying privately for a covid vaccine does not exist here. I'm not sure it exists anywhere yet.

@nether

Do you think they’re the only ones who have been shielding?

That's why I've been talking about the entire CEV group, as distinct from other elderly, given that the testing was different.

But hell, we're just being selfish for saying how disappointed we are

I need to step away. It's been a tough year, and my end in sight has just gone backwards. No one ever seems to care about the group who has had the shittiest end of the stick throughout, and I'm done

In the trial, not a single person was hospitalised after the first dose. One dose will make a difference to your life, and getting that out to as many people as possible as quickly as possible will help the very overburdened NHS cope with all sorts of illness, not just COVID. It might feel like a setback but it’s not really

This is much better news as more people will have a high level of protection rather than fewer people with excellent level of protection. As long as people are kept out of hospital and have no long term effects from Covid it doesn’t matter if people catch it mildly. I’m CEV and I’m so pleased.

I’m pretty certain Sinopharm (the Chinese vaccine) is available commercially outside of the U.K.

I know several young (under 40) people who have been vaccinated through work programmes in the Middle East for example.

@nether

Do you think they’re the only ones who have been shielding?

That's why I've been talking about the entire CEV group, as distinct from other elderly, given that the testing was different.

But hell, we're just being selfish for saying how disappointed we are

I need to step away. It's been a tough year, and my end in sight has just gone backwards. No one ever seems to care about the group who has had the shittiest end of the stick throughout, and I'm done

No one seems to care?!? Are you kidding? The world has ground to a halt to protect the CEV!

OP- I understand your frustration. I have a CEV parent who lives alone and has been trapped in her home since March.

However, I am thinking of it more in term of the more people who are vaccinated, the less likely she is to be exposed to it.

If the vaccine is 90% effective, but everyone else has the virus, you are likely to catch it. If the vaccine is 60% effective, but 90% of the population has been vaccinated, the virus won’t be spreading so you’ll be more protected than if you were the only one vaccinated but with a higher efficiency vaccine.

@Cyclingwidow15

I know someone who is young and healthy, they’ve had the vaccine through their work. It’s a private company that has paid for all employees to have it. This person is not CEV, they have since caught the virus before having a second dose. How much protection is one dose supposed to give in terms of percentage?

I didn’t think the vaccine was available privately? This surprises me!

Although my NHS clinically vulnerable colleague got Covid a few days after the jab. Bad timing. He’s doing ok 10 days on.

I’m with nether I’m feeling blue about this

I get that it’s out of step as the general community is seeing this as a step forward. But it’s still a blow to be told that you personally will be waiting longer than you would otherwise have been waiting

And I have a blood cancer which means that if I catch it, my chances of it being only ‘mild’ are not ones anyone would want to rely on

My DD is school age, so not getting the full 2-part level of protection for considerably longer than recent predictions leaves me with my Damoclean sword for longer than I had hoped

to those feeling bad, and my hopes that you find a sympathetic ear somewhere. And I’m sorry it’s not here

@Acti

Woke up to news that Oxford has been approved - great!

The entire family were hoping this might mean my CEV parents would be fully protected in February, as the online calculator showed they would be called for their first jab at the end of January (had Oxford vaccinations started last week of Dec).

But now that they are introducing a 12 week wait between both jabs, they won’t receive their first jab until early Feb and won’t get full protection until their second jab in early May.

I just can’t believe this.

This bastard fucking nightmare feels never ending.

Doesn't it depend how old they are?

There is no indication that ECV over 80s are being vaccinated before other over 80s.

MY DH is ECV and that website (which is not official in any way) says June for him and the same for me (not ECV)

OP, your parents are doing more harm than good to their health by not even leaving the house for a walk

@BusMum79

I’m classed as CEV (got Covid back in March and wasn’t seriously ill but very much have some form of long Covid now). I’ve barely left the house - currently cooped up with 3 small children as we are in London so rates are soaring. I’m relieved at this morning’s news and happy that I’ll get some form of vaccine soon (and that DH who works for the NHS and is v busy) will also be vaccinated. My bigger concern is the uptake of the vaccine. During my v brief interactions with others (on the school run for example) they’ll comment on how tough it must be to have to shield. I’ll often reply with a breezy “well at least I’ll get the vaccine soon I guess - fingers crossed” - and SO many reply with “oooh you’re not really going to have that are you?” It scares me that we have been given a way out of this and many people won’t take it.

The government should stop saying how many people without pre existing condtions have died and change it to how many unvaccinated have died. They'll be pushing their way to the front of the queue then.

The 21 days between first and second doses was never really a feasible proposition was it? If you think about it it means that 21 days after the first wave of vaccinations the daily demand for vaccinations would double as second vaccination candidates would be presenting for their second dose as remaining first vaccination candidates presented for their first dose. And this would continue daily. There simply aren’t enough practitioners to deal with administering first dose vaccinations, let alone doubling up the work load to offer first and second dose .

Yet another smoke and mirrors promise that on examination doesn’t work.

When this is over, I am going to get the term “ecv” banned (quite how I haven’t figured yet). And I am ecv myself!

I know a few ecv in real life, but on MN I have never seen so many miserable, whining, demanding and thoroughly selfish people.

If I contracted covid my outcome wouldn’t be good (told by consultant) and consequently I am terrified of virus. BUT I accept that it’s my health condition and my problem.

The sooner ecv people are vaccinated the better so that they can SHUT UP.

@CancerCovidQuestion

I am CEV and I live with primary school age children so I'm very pleased if this means all CEV people can get some level of immunity sooner. The end is very much in sight now surely, May isn't so very far off - let's hope they do what's necessary for the maximum number of people to get there!

I agree @CancerCovidQuestion. I'm hoping this means my CEV friend will get her first dose quicker. Given she has a primary aged child I was quite shocked to see how far down the list she was.

What people say they will do, and what they actually end up doing, are two totally diferent things. My guess would be that most people will take the vaccine. Especially at the lower end of the priority scale, because by the time they are offered it they will have spent months watching others get it and be fine. It will become the norm

FWIW I am CEV and am totally 100% supportive of the one dose to as many people as possible route.

@Cyclingwidow15

I know someone who is young and healthy, they’ve had the vaccine through their work. It’s a private company that has paid for all employees to have it. This person is not CEV, they have since caught the virus before having a second dose. How much protection is one dose supposed to give in terms of percentage?

I thought private companies couldn't buy it, only the government have stocks? It's completely outrageous if private companies are able to buy stocks and vaccinate their (presumably mostly healthy) staff above NHS staff etc.

@Spacie Yes! Maybe so. Would probably work better than getting a celebrity to front the campaign or whatever they’re going to try! I usually reply to the vaccine wary by pointing out that, as someone with a lifelong condition, I’ve had to try all kinds of weird and wonderful meds on the off-chance that they might make a difference, so I’ve got no qualms about it whatsoever- and perhaps such skepticism is the privilege of the otherwise healthy!

My understanding is that the elderly are at higher risk than younger ECV, hence the priority list.

Obviously good news today. But, what worries me is that after one dose you may still get a 'mild' dose, and the number of people coming out with this statement.

I had a 'mild' dose, spent 4 months in bed. Yes the vaccine keeps people alive and hopefully out of hospital, but how many will end up with long covid and continuing daily struggles like me.

I think "the vaccine" is misleading. Presumably, the private company has bought A vaccine. But not the Oxford one.

I think you're right @FestiveSocksRock. Hopefully people will realise it's our only way out of this mess.

@Cyclingwidow15

I know someone who is young and healthy, they’ve had the vaccine through their work. It’s a private company that has paid for all employees to have it. This person is not CEV, they have since caught the virus before having a second dose. How much protection is one dose supposed to give in terms of percentage?

@Cyclingwidow15

Bullshit. There aren't private doses available to buy in the UK.

Also your username is offensive. Stop spreading fake news and find something more productive to do with your time. Plenty of anti vaxxer groups for you to go hang out in 😡😡😡😡