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Daily stats, numbers, data thread 28 Dec

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PatriciaHolm · 28/12/2020 11:02

UK govt pressers Slides & data www.gov.uk/government/collections/slides-and-datasets-to-accompany-coronavirus-press-conferences#history
R estimates UK & English regions www.gov.uk/guidance/the-r-number-in-the-uk
Imperial UK weekly LAs, cases / 100k, table, map, hotspots imperialcollegelondon.github.io/covid19local/#table
School statistics Attendance explore-education-[statistics.service.gov.uk/find-statistics/attendance-in-education-and-early-years-settings-during-the-coronavirus-covid-19-outbreak]]
NHS England Hospital activity www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/
NHs England Daily deaths www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Cases Tracker England Local Government lginform.local.gov.uk/reports/view/lga-research/covid-19-case-tracker
ONS MSAO Map English deaths www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
CovidMessenger live update by council district in England www.covidmessenger.com/
Scot gov Daily data www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/
Scotland TravellingTabby LAs, care homes, hospitals, tests, t&t www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/
PH Wales LAs, tests, ONS deaths [[public.tableau.com/profile/public.health.wales.health.protection#!/vizhome/RapidCOVID-19virology-Public/Headlinesummary
NI Dashboard app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZGYxNjYzNmUtOTlmZS00ODAxLWE1YTEtMjA0NjZhMzlmN2JmIiwidCI6IjljOWEzMGRlLWQ4ZDctNGFhNC05NjAwLTRiZTc2MjVmZjZjNSIsImMiOjh9]]
ICNRC Intensive Care National Audit & Research reports www.icnarc.org/Our-Audit/Audits/Cmp/Reports
NHS t&t England & UK testing Weekly stats www.gov.uk/government/collections/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-weekly-reports
PHE Surveillance reports & LA Local Watchlist Maps by LSOA www.gov.uk/government/collections/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-weekly-reports
ONS England infection surveillance report each Friday www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/previousReleases
Datasets for ONS surveillance reports www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/datasets/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveydata/2020
ONS Roundup deaths, infections & economic reports www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26
Zoe Uk data covid.joinzoe.com/data#interactive-map
ECDC rolling 14-day incidence EEA & UK read https_www.ecdc.europa.eu/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ecdc.europa.eu%2Fen%2Fcases-2019-ncov-eueea
Worldometer UK page www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
Our World in Data GB test positivity etc, DIY country graphs ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/united-kingdom?country=~GBR
FT DIY graphs compare deaths, cases, raw / million pop ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=gbr&areas=fra&areas=esp&areas=ita&areas=deu&areas=swe&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&byDate=1&cumulative=1&logScale=1&per100K=1&values=deaths
Alama Personal COVID risk assessment alama.org.uk/covid-19-medical-risk-assessment/
Local Mobility Reports for countries www.google.com/covid19/mobility/
UK Highstreet Tracker for cities & large towns Footfall, spend index, workers, visitors, economic recovery www.centreforcities.org/data/high-streets-recovery-tracker/

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peridito · 28/12/2020 21:35

I thought it had been suggested that the new strain caused less serious symptoms . I feel a bit dense raising this ,but is anyone else surprised at the huge rise in hospital admissions ?

Is it "just" a function of the huge number of people being infected - a percentage will be badly affected ?

Do we know hospital admissions by age ? I can't open the data on the NHS link .

QueenStromba · 28/12/2020 21:41

That all sounds plausible Coffee except it hinges on a high degree of suppression of viral load and the only trial that bothered to do any asymptomatic testing found quite a large number of vaccinated subjects (when compared with the controls) that had a high enough viral load to be detectable by PCR.

JamesAnderson · 28/12/2020 21:56

@QueenStromba

That all sounds plausible Coffee except it hinges on a high degree of suppression of viral load and the only trial that bothered to do any asymptomatic testing found quite a large number of vaccinated subjects (when compared with the controls) that had a high enough viral load to be detectable by PCR.
This is what concerns me about those vaccines claiming high efficacy. There was no asymptomatic testing. They relied on people declaring symptoms. They also used saline as a control so presumably fairly easy to tell if you'd had the actual vaccine or just the placebo. That alone will alter people's attitude to reporting symptoms and getting tested
DecemberStar · 28/12/2020 22:02

@peridito

I thought it had been suggested that the new strain caused less serious symptoms . I feel a bit dense raising this ,but is anyone else surprised at the huge rise in hospital admissions ?

Is it "just" a function of the huge number of people being infected - a percentage will be badly affected ?

Do we know hospital admissions by age ? I can't open the data on the NHS link .

That would relate to the article linked to earlier today on here - why a 50% more transmissible virus is much worse news than a 50% more deadly one (iirc)
PatriciaHolm · 28/12/2020 22:03

The profile of hospital admissions hasn't really changed in the last couple of months, age wise, at least by the buckets of age the dashboard uses (which could be more helpful!)

1-31 Nov
0-5 0.6%
6-17 0.8%
18-64 32%
65-84 44%
85+ 22%

1-21 Dec
0-5 0.7%
6-17 0.9%
18-64 32%
65-84 42%
85+ 25%

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InterfectoremVulpes · 28/12/2020 22:08

Whats the likely source of infection for 65-84 year old?

peridito · 28/12/2020 22:09

Thank you December and Patricia .

PatriciaHolm · 28/12/2020 22:13

@InterfectoremVulpes

Whats the likely source of infection for 65-84 year old?
Well - almost 2m of them are still in employment, for a start!
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RigaBalsam · 28/12/2020 22:20

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Hardbackwriter · 28/12/2020 22:21

@NoGoodPunsLeft

Does anyone know why we have such high cases compared to other European countries? For example, Spain's daily cases is just over 8,000 today but their numbers were so high in summer. Is it label of tourists? Are they on lock down?

Do we still have any of the Italy/Netherlands/French residents on this thread who can share what it is like where they are? There was one in France who gave great updates (someone Dragon I think?!)

Spain looks like they peaked in early November and their cases have declined since there? If you accept that our current huge numbers are largely the product of the new strain then I guess that suggests that they haven't felt that - if they do then I guess a third peak is likely. As far as I can tell they aren't doing anything we aren't apart from mandating mask wearing in public spaces outdoors, though I don't read Spanish so might be wrong about that as I'm reliant on English summaries of the measures there.
FeelingBIue · 28/12/2020 22:25

@InterfectoremVulpes

Whats the likely source of infection for 65-84 year old?
A sizeable number at the lower end of that age group will be providing childcare looking after grandchildren.
everythingthelighttouches · 28/12/2020 22:29

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Monkeytennis97 · 28/12/2020 22:32

Placemarking as a thread lurker

DuncinToffee · 28/12/2020 22:36

@NoGoodPunsLeft

Does anyone know why we have such high cases compared to other European countries? For example, Spain's daily cases is just over 8,000 today but their numbers were so high in summer. Is it label of tourists? Are they on lock down?

Do we still have any of the Italy/Netherlands/French residents on this thread who can share what it is like where they are? There was one in France who gave great updates (someone Dragon I think?!)

I read Dutch news, the number of positive test is going down but hospital admissions are going up as is the number of cases in care homes.

Link to the article in Dutch but it has graphs. (besmettingen is positive cases)
nos.nl/artikel/2362324-ruim-1600-coronabesmettingen-minder-dan-gisteren.html

Witchend · 28/12/2020 22:38

@peridito

I thought it had been suggested that the new strain caused less serious symptoms . I feel a bit dense raising this ,but is anyone else surprised at the huge rise in hospital admissions ?

Is it "just" a function of the huge number of people being infected - a percentage will be badly affected ?

Do we know hospital admissions by age ? I can't open the data on the NHS link .

@peridito

I think it's been hypothetically raised that when a virus mutates to transmit easier, it often becomes less deadly. I don't think this has so far been shown either way.

However if it is 1% deadly, 5% hospitalised, assuming it doesn't change.
If you have 10k cases you have 100 dead, 500 hospitalised
If you have 50k cases, that's 500 dead, 2500 hospitalised
100k cases, 1000 dead, 5000 hospitalised.

So if it infects more people then it will lead to more deaths/hospitalisations.
If you have 5 times the number of cases, it has to be 1/5 of the potent-ness (!) (as a very rough guide, it's far more complicated than that) to have the same number of deaths/hospitalisations.

DecemberStar · 28/12/2020 22:43

Russia have finally admitted to a three times higher death toll from coronavirus than previously:

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/28/russia-admits-to-world-third-worst-covid-19-death-toll-underreported

lurker101 · 28/12/2020 22:51

@JamesAnderson sorry I’m not medical and I’m curious to know why you think those in the trial would easily have been able to tell whether they received the placebo or the vaccine - why is saline very obvious?

FingonTheValiant · 28/12/2020 22:53

Update from France -

When we had our «sort of» lockdown from end of October to beginning of December, the numbers were over 40k at the beginning of November for quite some time. We were told that we were aiming for cases under 5000 per day to come out of it with no restrictions. That didn’t happen. We dropped to about 11000 (from memory, it may have dipped slightly lower for a couple of days), and then seemed to climb to plateau at around 14000 for a while.

So they released restrictions more than they’d said they would if the numbers didn’t come down, but not fully. Restaurants, bars, cinemas, museums, theatres etc never reopened. They’re closed until at least mid-January, and no one really believes they’ll open then. The original plan was to reopen universities on the 4th January, that seems highly unlikely now. They allowed non-essential shops to open, and extended opening hours and allowed Sunday trading - that’s a huge concession in France, almost nothing is open on a Sunday,

But we kept the curfew, and until 15th December there was a restriction on non-essential travel and we had to have paperwork to go anywhere. The curfew was relaxed on the 24th December, but that’s all. There is no limit on mixing, but the recommendation is no more than 6 adults, and they’ve suggested we cancel plans for NYE. The big thing is that the curfew means everyone stays over when they visit people, so people are in contact for longer overall.

Before Christmas the numbers were rising again, over 20,000 new cases on the 24th and the 25th. But the last few days have been ridiculously low. As a result even the press are drawing attention to the combined weekend/closed labs over Christmas effect, and warning people not to base their NYE plans on the apparent low numbers.

There are calls for local lockdown in three areas: les Alpes-Maritimes, le Grand Est, and Bourgogne-Franche-Comte. Apparently their numbers are very bad. That’s particularly sad for le Grand Est, they really suffered in March too. Apparently the only place with higher new cases than them is Île-de-France, and that has more than twice the population.

There is a defence meeting tomorrow to discuss the plan going forward, and there are more and more ministers expressing concern, despite the low published numbers. I suspect that as the labs reopen and process the tests we’re going to see rocketing numbers.

Though one of the weirdest things I’ve seen was a doctor today saying that people should do a mini-lockdown from the 31st to the 2nd Jan. What on earth he thinks that will achieve I can’t imagine.

Vaccination started yesterday and is already drawing criticism. Apparently at the close of business today (day 2) 55 people have been vaccinated in France Confused There was a big thing about an EHPAD (care home) with 330 residents having the vaccine, except it transpired only 12 residents are being vaccinated. Care homes are reporting it’s a nightmare to get consent for the vaccine.

The French are notoriously some of the most resistant to vaccines and, well, proper medicine in the world (love homeopathy and «magnetism» and stuff like that though). They’ve been keeping a running tally of the percentage of people saying they will refuse the vaccine and it’s just climbing. I think we must be at 50% refusal by now. I can check tomorrow. The press gleefully repeating stories like the dosing balls up in Germany isn’t going to help. Even bloody Macron refused to commit to having the vaccine Hmm talk about leading by example.

Apparently they’re aiming to vaccinate 1.5m people by February, and reporting is positive about this Hmm it doesn’t say much for the chances of vaccinating the population.

Anyway... I’ve not posted for a while, so that was a big update, but I saw people asking what was happening here Smile

JamesAnderson · 28/12/2020 23:06

@lurker101

all real vaccines have common mild side effects, which the saline vaccine wouldn't.

It's therefore reasonable to assume if you have side effects, sore arm, headache, temperature etc then you've had the actual vaccine.
Saline produces none of these side effects

lurker101 · 28/12/2020 23:20

@JamesAnderson thanks that’s really helpful, I never realised that the sore arm was due to the vaccine, I always assumed it was due to the needle Blush

umpteennamechanges · 28/12/2020 23:23

@Piggyinblankets

Anyone who watched the expose documentary about the government and test and trace etc a while back (maybe 5 weeks?) wouldn't be at all surprised to hear of a covid outbreak at the MK lab.

I work at a lab making COVID test kits and I can tell you that I'll be surprised if we don't have an outbreak with the new variant.

We work shoulder to shoulder, yes in surgical masks but we know they offer limited protection and we are shoulder to shoulder from 8.30am - 6pm every day.

We are a staff of c.50 temps. Not in bubbles. Many of us are part time while continuing to run our own businesses part time outside so also in contact with others (or were before Xmas and Tier 4).

Our break room does not allow sufficient space for social distancing.

FeelingBIue · 28/12/2020 23:31

@QueenStromba

That all sounds plausible Coffee except it hinges on a high degree of suppression of viral load and the only trial that bothered to do any asymptomatic testing found quite a large number of vaccinated subjects (when compared with the controls) that had a high enough viral load to be detectable by PCR.
Yes, Oxford/AstraZenica is the only trial that has so far reported as having carried out asymptomatic testing.

Published findings show they found a total of 69 positive PCR tests carried out by asymptomatic people, 29 out of 3288 in the vaccinated group and 40 out of 3350 in the placebo group (based on data up to 4 November).

We'll get more information once we hear from MHRA in the next day or so and hopefully approves the vaccine - although it's worth noting that according to QueenStromba on another thread that the Oxford/AstraZenica vaccine "might have to go in the bin".

DecemberStar · 28/12/2020 23:33

Thanks @FingonTheValiant

Witchend · 28/12/2020 23:50

Published findings show they found a total of 69 positive PCR tests carried out by asymptomatic people, 29 out of 3288 in the vaccinated group and 40 out of 3350 in the placebo group (based on data up to 4 November

I would have thought 29 and 40 were if not within confidence intervals, very close.
I hope that they can show that those 40 wouldn't be able to spread it, otherwise it's only really going to be a stop gap.

Witchend · 28/12/2020 23:50

29 couldn't spread it, not 40.

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