Daily stats, numbers, data thread 28 Dec

[PatriciaHolm]

UK govt pressers Slides & data www.gov.uk/government/collections/slides-and-datasets-to-accompany-coronavirus-press-conferences#history
R estimates UK & English regions www.gov.uk/guidance/the-r-number-in-the-uk
Imperial UK weekly LAs, cases / 100k, table, map, hotspots imperialcollegelondon.github.io/covid19local/#table
School statistics Attendance explore-education-[statistics.service.gov.uk/find-statistics/attendance-in-education-and-early-years-settings-during-the-coronavirus-covid-19-outbreak]]
NHS England Hospital activity www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/
NHs England Daily deaths www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Cases Tracker England Local Government lginform.local.gov.uk/reports/view/lga-research/covid-19-case-tracker
ONS MSAO Map English deaths www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
CovidMessenger live update by council district in England www.covidmessenger.com/
Scot gov Daily data www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/
Scotland TravellingTabby LAs, care homes, hospitals, tests, t&t www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/
PH Wales LAs, tests, ONS deaths [[public.tableau.com/profile/public.health.wales.health.protection#!/vizhome/RapidCOVID-19virology-Public/Headlinesummary
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ICNRC Intensive Care National Audit & Research reports www.icnarc.org/Our-Audit/Audits/Cmp/Reports
NHS t&t England & UK testing Weekly stats www.gov.uk/government/collections/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-weekly-reports
PHE Surveillance reports & LA Local Watchlist Maps by LSOA www.gov.uk/government/collections/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-weekly-reports
ONS England infection surveillance report each Friday www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/previousReleases
Datasets for ONS surveillance reports www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/datasets/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveydata/2020
ONS Roundup deaths, infections & economic reports www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26
Zoe Uk data covid.joinzoe.com/data#interactive-map
ECDC rolling 14-day incidence EEA & UK read https_www.ecdc.europa.eu/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ecdc.europa.eu%2Fen%2Fcases-2019-ncov-eueea
Worldometer UK page www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
Our World in Data GB test positivity etc, DIY country graphs ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/united-kingdom?country=~GBR
FT DIY graphs compare deaths, cases, raw / million pop ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=gbr&areas=fra&areas=esp&areas=ita&areas=deu&areas=swe&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&byDate=1&cumulative=1&logScale=1&per100K=1&values=deaths
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There is some information in the papers about numbers of vaccines, when they are going to ramp up the vaccination rate etc.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-55511566

If they're poorly enough to be admitted, something must be going on. There may be the odd case where the illness is actually another virus eg croup and they happen to have tested positive for cv, but it's more likely they're v poorly and found to be Covid positive because there's such a wide variety of symptoms.

@Piggywaspushed

Same neuro. I have read several times on MN that some people think wearing a mask means they will not ahve to SI. This is not correct. as we discovered at our school when some masked teachers had to SI after spending time near a positive child.

That's interesting, and logical too IMO as we have been told that masks 'help' but are no guarantee.

When DH did his track and trace paperwork he wasn't able to include anyone who was wearing PPE though, so for his colleagues wearing a mask this meant they weren't included. They also SD so that was another reason that he didn't include them.

All 20 of them caught it though.

I find it mildly amusing that my stoically anti mask vax "mate" uses the same arguments our LEA have given re masks, but in a different way iykwim

@NeurotreeWenceslas

If they're poorly enough to be admitted, something must be going on. There may be the odd case where the illness is actually another virus eg croup and they happen to have tested positive for cv, but it's more likely they're v poorly and found to be Covid positive because there's such a wide variety of symptoms.

I don’t get this. Children are admitted for a wide variety of issues in normal times. Why wouldn’t they be now?

@Piggywaspushed

Re whether children (or anyone for that matter) are submitted because of covid or it is found out while they are in , isn't that splitting hairs a bit? They may well ahve been submitted with a 'msytery illness' which has made them very poorly and tests then show up covid.Especially since children do exhibit different symptoms.

My DF has no spleen and has been admitted to hospital several times with viral type infections and is then given tests for various things.

Does anyone know it if is still the case that not all hospital stays are being covid tested? Certainly I have a friend who took her DS into hospital three times in April with a temperature and breathing difficulties and he wasn't swabbed for covid : it was the old' give him some calpol and see how he is' line. I hope things have moved on since those earlier days but I do think early attitudes to children and covid susceptibility weren't helpful for early data gathering.

I also ask because my silly DF currently has a house guest who has just been in hospital (MH issues) and I my SM doesn't seem to have heard of hospital acquired infection. I am presuming she won't have had a covid test and this alarms me quite a bit!

I tbh knit woo roe be really useful information- but it's just not possible for medical staff to distinguish reliably between who is unwell due to Covid, and who is unwell due to something unrelated to Covid (except in cases like the broken leg you mention).

The symptoms and effects of Covid seem to be so wide, and not fully understood. Which doctors are going to state confidently that a tummy issue, headache, asthma track is or isn't Covid related.

I agree, I think this is only relevant if a child is admitted with a broken leg for example, which must be a tiny number.

I actually know of one case like this.

@Piggywaspushed

Same neuro. I have read several times on MN that some people think wearing a mask means they will not ahve to SI. This is not correct. as we discovered at our school when some masked teachers had to SI after spending time near a positive child.

No data, stats or numbers are available that indicate that general mask wearing by the public can reduce virus transmission. ie there is no scientific evidence backing the forced wearing of masks.

Forcing the public to wear them costs the government nothing and makes it look like their doing something. Large enough numbers of people like the idea of wearing them because of anxiety, fear, wanting to do something, to virtue signal, feel good about themselves or to blame others for virus spread so we are now all forced to wear them. It is total madness.

Are all children tested routinely? What prompts a test

Not wanting to re-ignite the vaccine discussion but has anyone else seen this? Absolutely insane plan if true

www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/health/coronavirus-vaccines-britain.html

@MarshaBradyo

Are all children tested routinely? What prompts a test

Posted this on another thread about children's hospital admissions and it seems relevant here.

Someone posted this link and said that "The admissions criteria is designed to exclude children who are in hospital for other reasons and catch Covid-19." Clicking on the link does not show this...

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nation&areaName=England

Chart showing "Patients admitted to hospital by age" indicating the "Total numbers of COVID-19 patients admitted to hospital since the start of the pandemic". Showing figures up to 1.1.21. These Figures are for England.

Age 0-5, 1,568. Age 6-17, 1,585

It's indicated that data include people admitted to hospital who tested positive for COVID-19 in the 14 days prior to admission, and those who tested positive in hospital after admission. Inpatients diagnosed with COVID-19 after admission are reported as being admitted on the day prior to their diagnosis. Admissions to all NHS acute hospitals and mental health and learning disability trusts, as well as independent service providers commissioned by the NHS are included.

These figures therefore DO include children who are in hospital for other reasons AND children who catch the virus whilst in hospital. They also include children admitted to mental health trusts, learning disability trusts and other independent service providers (and clearly these facilities are not treatment centers for respiratory illnesses)

Forcing the public to wear them costs the government nothing and makes it look like their doing something.

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I don’t get this. Children are admitted for a wide variety of issues in normal times. Why wouldn’t they be now?

I'm making the assumption that they're tested because of their symptoms. As it's not clear why they've been admitted.

Thanks Billie I’m taking from that it’s not the mystery illness situation as mentioned but every child who happens to be positive but there for something else and ends up in numbers. Bit early so just checking

Another way re working out children admitted for Covid:

twitter.com/steeph/status/1345125084118339591?s=21

Even in the guidance it says maskscouldhinder teaching and learning . It is obviously why there is no evidence

My accent is from a different part of the UK. I find shop assistants often struge to understand what j am saying when I have a mask on. Its not a problem I normally have.

That's not to say I am against masks in classrooms but I do think they will cause some issues.

And to a PP who said about kids and masks - I really struggle to get my 6 year old to wear one but I have asked my older child to wear one when needed. But I avoid taking them to the shops now to overcome that situation.

When 6 year old was told he had to wear one in Scotland because it was the rules he managed it fine!

Does anyone have stats for children’s admissions from previous years to compare?

Presumably there will usually be a winter increase due to increase in respiratory viruses etc. So important to compare any increase against usual seasonal patterns.

There have been fewer cases of other resp infections though.

@NeurotreeWenceslas

I don’t get this. Children are admitted for a wide variety of issues in normal times. Why wouldn’t they be now?

I'm making the assumption that they're tested because of their symptoms. As it's not clear why they've been admitted.

Good grief! They are testing people with symptoms? I thought they only tested asymptomatic people

Fair enough Neuro, that could be a consideration in analysing the figures, but still makes sense to look at general seasonal trends.

@Lumene

Does anyone have stats for children’s admissions from previous years to compare?

Presumably there will usually be a winter increase due to increase in respiratory viruses etc. So important to compare any increase against usual seasonal patterns.

Children and younger people are more at risk from flu than they are from coronavirus.

What actually constitutes an "admission to hospital"?

There are stats for Paediatric in Q4 last year: www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/bed-availability-and-occupancy/bed-data-overnight/.
Some services may have been delayed however, so I don't believe it is helpful for comparison. It might be useful in giving a sense for all the things children go into hospital for: 84 just for paediatric cardio for example, while other children still have broken legs, appendicitis, cancer etc. Children's services have been more protected, we've deferred a routine appointment for DS because we aren't comfortable with the infection rates and it not being urgent, but it was going ahead. Any child having surgery or staying overnight will be tested, so with higher community infections more cases will be found. If many more children start to become severely unwell, Whitty/Vallance will be brought out to tell us; if nothing else it might inspire more compliance among those who don't seem bothered about elderly people dying (nor trashing Grade II listed churches in Essex).

Billie symptoms aren't always clear with children, though I'd imagine a fever would trigger a test. A few parents here have found their children didn't have symptoms consistent with cv but the reactive rashes and inflammation, lethargy etc a week or two later, so weren't tested at the time.

@NeurotreeWenceslas

Billie symptoms aren't always clear with children, though I'd imagine a fever would trigger a test. A few parents here have found their children didn't have symptoms consistent with cv but the reactive rashes and inflammation, lethargy etc a week or two later, so weren't tested at the time.

It's not just a fever that will trigger a test, anyone admitted for an emergency or routinely will be tested. So, any accident, injury, noro, appendicitis etc. That's great because it will pick up atypical presentations of covid and asymptomatic cases.