Well the few have ruined it for the many again....wish I’d joined them in breaking the rules now

[Watermelon888]

Just that really.

Have been sensible, followed the rules, looking forward to a simple Christmas with us and dm who lives alone 200 miles away.

Have seen quite a few definite non household groups doing what they want, meals out indoors etc and of course they will have met up with who they want to over the last few weeks and will still probably moan about the restrictions or just ignore them.

You cannot compare the U.K. with NZ!
They have a population of 4.8 million.
We have a population of 70 million
With a very similar land mass (theirs is slightly larger).
They have 6 sheep for every person.
Even Australia has only 25 million people in a land mass 32 times larger than the U.K.

My new favourite word “propagander”

And please stop the pathetic blame game.

Viruses spread! Schools, universities, colleges, workplaces, hospitals, shops, public transport..... unless we go into full hardcore lockdown again it’ll spread.

I’m a teacher. I go to work; shop at the weekend and don’t do much else at the moment. I don’t see my family, it’s just me DH and DS. When I shop, I use the sanitiser, spray my trolley, wear my mask and I’m in and out.

When I’m in school I wash my hands, use sanitiser, wear my mask except when teaching from the front, keep my windows and door open and follow the risk assessments.

Every day for the last few weeks I was receiving notice that children in my classes were testing positive for Covid, however, as a teacher I magically didn’t need to isolate too. It no wonder that I came down with Covid myself, despite trying my hardest to follow the rules. I brought Covid home to my own family.

I wasn’t breaking rules. I wasn’t deliberately going out and meeting people. I don’t loiter in shops, ignoring the SD. I didn’t intentionally spread Covid to people I love. I caught it doing exactly what I was asked to do and after being told I was perfectly safe and there was no need for me to isolate or go to any additional measures.

I’m recovering well. Luckily I’m healthy and have had a mild case. But to see people placing blame on others, really, really rubs salt into the wound. I got sick because my government didn’t bother to protect me.

@OkPedro

My new favourite word “propagander”

That's "a good look" in Cockney rhyming slang I believe 🧐

Oh come on

It’s a mix of everything. There are plenty of places which simply aren’t COVID secure even if we say there are. School are a classic case but really aren’t the b all and of all cases at all. Packed transport, resturant where you now sit a meter from the next table in an unventilated space for 2 hours etc. Just 2 examples

But at least half the cases I know of the people are honest enough to admit they broke the rulez ( to quote a previous poster as that makes them superior) by being in close contact when they shouldn’t have been eg car sharing, inside people’s houses, out socialising etc

To pretend it’s all the govts fault is quite pathetic really, people need to grow up

To be clear if in tier four your support bubble now can’t stay over night. This seems extremely hard. So people alone stay alone. And yes people breaking the rules are so selfish it hurts. They should be ashamed.

To be clear if in tier four your support bubble now can’t stay over night. This seems extremely hard. So people alone stay alone. And yes people breaking the rules are so selfish it hurts. They should be ashamed.

Wrong @Justa47 - you’ve misinterpreted the (admittedly shit) wording. Anyone in a support bubble CAN stay overnight even if they are in tier 4.

OP your thread title is odd. If you believe the rules are effective and that every person adhering to them makes us all that little bit safer, then why do you now wish you had broken them? Either you believe the rules work and you follow them or you don’t.

@MolyHolyGuacamole

The govt ruined it ages ago by not stocking up on PPE then refusing to close borders, and taking too long to make rules on face coverings, then they ruined it even more recently by continuing to keep schools open when they couldn't effectively enforce proper distancing.

I completely agree. It’s very easy to blame the masses when the guidelines aren’t always very clear. Due to so many people dying, there really needs to an independent inquiry that will look into how to prevent this from happening again.

Even last night after tier 4 was announced my husband said he was the only person wearing a mask when he went into the petrol station shop to pay. It's infuriating

@ dingdingding
I don’t think I did. It you can it should “or are not in support bubble with”.

@Justa47 it’s been clarified on numerous other threads and by news outlets that support bubbles are exempt.

From mixing not over nights.
I have not heard anyone mention the over nights

@dingdingdong

I have not heard them say anything about the over night and as I have not been sleeping I have watched all the news many times.

So I think the wording is terrible but if right they banned overnights for support bubbles

@Justa47 please stop spreading misinformation, it is damaging to people's mental health. Support bubbles are classed as one household and are unaffected by changes in tiers. Overnights have always, and continue to be allowed.

@musicalfrog

I am not I am listening to sky and reading the rules. No overnights even for support bubbles.

@Justa47 you are wrong. Please stop.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1374702/Tier-4-support-bubbles-Can-you-still-have-support-bubble-in-Tier-4-EVG/amp

Can you still have a support bubble in Tier 4?

Support bubbles are still allowed in Tier 4 areas, and are permitted in every Tier across England.

Support bubbles are still allowed to mix indoors unlike anyone else.

They are also allowed to have overnight stays between the two households involved in the support bubble.

@musicalfrog

Ummm that’s the point that looks to have changed. Also if your support is out of tier 4 are you allowed to travel to it.

My god, can we stop with the blame and shame stuff please? Covid is a virus, its entire purpose is to spread, and it's very good at what it does (particularly this new variant, it seems). Millions of people are going to work, school, university or are caring for loved ones and have absolutely no choice but to come into close contact with others. It's not hard to see how it spreads.

Telling yourself it's down to the actions of rule breakers is incredibly comforting because you can convince yourself, as someone who follows the rules religiously, that you won't get it and if you do it's not your 'fault'. Well, newsflash: It's nobody's fault, just like contracting any number of illnesses isn't. You could just as easily catch it tomorrow at Sainsbury's doing the food shop.

I really believe that some people would like those with Covid to be publicly shamed and a red cross painted on their front door. At the start of All This people banged on about how we all became kinder in the face of horror and uncertainty. Sadly, even if that ever were true, some of the posts here seem to prove otherwise.

Oh and those blaming non mask wearers for the spread: Please remember that some people are exempt, and we're not all selfish twats desperate to infect everyone.

Schools have been open because of the harm caused when children can’t go to school.

I agree that the rules around working and eating out have been confused and illogical - too many exemptions e.g. business lunches, but not enough business to protect hospitality industry - worst of both worlds.

Or you could look at it another way. We have a new strain. We don’t know how or why yet. It could be largely asymptomatic . It could even be horrifically airborne!

That would mean anyone stepping out their house like Doris who legitimately needs to go to Tesco could still be an issue.

I think on the internet, like reviews, we only see the “worst” side. Bar a couple of people in my life I can hand on heart say people I know are 100% following the rules. Something else has to be going on, seems odd the countries where they have minimised even people shopping have had cases plummet.

Not a conspiracy theorist, I just think this virus is more airborne than we are being told

No point blaming each other. Blame the people who don't put strict enough rules in place, but only do too little too late - our "government". Of course it will be difficult to control a virus in a small densely populated country. Neither do they seem to learn from their mistakes.