Well the few have ruined it for the many again....wish I’d joined them in breaking the rules now

[Watermelon888]

Just that really.

Have been sensible, followed the rules, looking forward to a simple Christmas with us and dm who lives alone 200 miles away.

Have seen quite a few definite non household groups doing what they want, meals out indoors etc and of course they will have met up with who they want to over the last few weeks and will still probably moan about the restrictions or just ignore them.

Sorry just checked the numbers I was slightly misremembering this is the chart

@ElephantWhaleRabbit

The idea that Covid is spread around by rampant rule breaking is a comforting but it’s also total bollocks. It’s popular because it implies it could all be sorted by people just behaving themselves; it’s more palatable than the reality - i.e. that it’s spread around by people doing entirely lawful things - going to work, going to school, going to the shop, living / working in a care home.

Exactly- it's what the government wants us to believe!

Oh OP what will you do to satisfy your sanctimony when this pandemic is over??

An awful lot of people have ruined it for an awful lot of other people.

I am, weirdly, glad that Christmas is being scaled back, as my business (hospitality) depends on people being able to go out all the time. If I still have the shreds of a business in January, I'd prefer there not to be a lockdown as a result of people mingling at Christmas.

There is more to life than Christmas.

@RaspberryCoulis

Fuck off with the blame game. It's nobody's "fault" that a new, more contagious form of covid is circulating.

Yes it is. They don't have a "new, more contagious form" in China or New Zealand because they didn't allow the virus to spread uncontrollably. That was what created conditions for a new form to emerge.

Sorry, in my opinion it is the schools/ unis/ colleges spreading this. Ok most kids may be asymptomatic but it doesn’t stop the spread. Close schools, colleges, Unis, and see the difference

BlueJackel

Great except in my area it is schools. The only time we see cases fall is half term and now we have primaries being forced to close early because of huge outbreaks. If whole classes were sent home in secondaries, none would be open in my area. My daughters secondary is riddled with the virus and vulnerable parents are being fined for keeping their children home. I'm fed up of the denial. Please explain how a virus that's spread via particles in the air isn't a cause for concern in the only place social distancing and masks aren't used. It's beyond a joke. Open the schools for the children that need to be there and have the rest learn from home if they're able.

I can't belive the government threatened to sue the local authority telling their schools to close because of high rates last week and this week has decided they need to be in tier 4.

Do you think the virus thinks - ‘Ah! Won’t infect this business meeting, but I’ll spread around this group of mates’

This!!
Even if everyone obeyed the rules exactly, it would only slow down the spread until restrictions are eased and then it would start it's massive spread again, a never ending circle until everyone is vaccinated. The point of a lockdown to begin with was to protect the already stretched NHS, not to get rid of the virus. Why does everyone seem to have forgotten this?
The attitude of the OP is quite frankly stupid IMO and exactly what politicians who have royally fucked up (but of course they won't admit that) want you to believe, so they'll turn to the naive public and fool them into believing that it's all because Lucy went round to her Auntie Sally's house for a cup of tea in a neighbouring town when they were in different tiers!

@BlueJackel

'I'm sorry but I am sick to death of the blame being put on schools'

Well said. I'm East of England bordering new Tier 4. Associated with 4 schools.
10, 3, 6 and 2 cases since Sept.
Across about 4500 students.
Most definitely not spreading in these schools.
We're just scapegoats for people to avoid having to take responsibility in their own lives.
November lockdown - supermarkets and other open shops were rammed.

I didn’t break the rules , I went into work each day (in school) and caught the virus.
I had already accepted my job was too risky to meet any family over Christmas.

Stop with the blame ,
People have to work and children go to school , yes we have social distancing but people still mix so there is your problem.
I actually don't believe anyone has stayed home since March and I mean not going to a single shop / work / hairdressers etc so potentially we can all be blamed .
It's a pandemic it spreads, it's spreads in all countries and Great Britain is densely populated in parts so unless we stay home and never leave the house at all , all year we are all potentially going to spread it .

This ^^

@Coriandersucks

Don’t be a dick op - if anyone’s to blame is the governments mishandling if this whole situation. Don’t come all holier than thou than anyone else.

Spot on

i.e. that it’s spread around by people doing entirely lawful things - going to work, going to school, going to the shop, living / working in a care home.

A 100% this

seriously?? Really?

This myth gets trotted out and people believe it

Blame the general public propogander

Direct your anger at the Government and their tragic incompetence, negligence and corruption.

Nice to know it wasn’t just us bloody ignorant, poverty stricken northerners spreading the virus with our ignorance, as it’s just as bad down south! I can say that as I was born in London and lived 30 years there 😂

It’s now my turn to be smugly condescending as levels are low in my area.

You sound surprised. It was bound to happen without stricter enforcement of the rules. We live in a very self entitled works where the rules don’t apply to many.

The problem is, most of us don't get to see the figures, to avoid whichever is the key vector in our area. It's been shown that one of the factors helping S. Korea keeping its figures down is localised info on where cases are. I want to know where the spreading is happening in my area: is it schools, or care homes, or prisons?? But I don't think that, as an ordinary citizen, this information is available to me.

500,000 approx die each year in the UK.

Who knows for how many of us, this will be the last Christmas anyway.

Covid, predominantly is fatal for those at the end of life anyway.....

Is this worth it? I don't know anymore.

Close schools, colleges, Unis, and see the difference

We did close all of them (believe me, we closed them: I had all my DC at home for months), and it made fuck all difference.

@jazzandh

500,000 approx die each year in the UK.

Who knows for how many of us, this will be the last Christmas anyway.

Covid, predominantly is fatal for those at the end of life anyway.....

Is this worth it? I don't know anymore.

No it isn't worth it.

500,000 approx die each year in the UK.

Oh but they don't count, only Covid matters.

It’s not a few minor rule stretches that have caused this, it’s the fact that schools have remained open as have many people’s workplaces. The virus has been allowed to flourish well within the rules.