Will we be able to refuse treatment from NHS staff who refuse the vaccine?

[lunar1]

I don't mean now, but a few months down the line when they have all had the opportunity to be vaccinated.

DH had his first dose this morning, but there are many staff refusing. Given that it's going to be a long time before the majority of us are vaccinated, having treatment from vaccinated professionals seems a good way to reduce risks.

What rights does anyone think we will have regarding treatment?

@DayBath surely the point is here that no one has the right to ask anyway. NHS workers aren't allowed to ask personal or lifestyle questions before deciding whether to treat or not, they do it regardless.

If people want to vett who's giving them treatment they should go private and not expect to be able to hand pick HCPs treating them in what is effectively a free service

@Pomegranatespompom

The point is - hcp are not obliged to answer. You are not entitled to know.

I don't think anybody is saying either of those things though. HCP are not obliged to answer - yes, but many will be happy to. Patients are not entitled to know - true, but they are entitled to ask.

[quote 3littlewords]@DayBath surely the point is here that no one has the right to ask anyway. NHS workers aren't allowed to ask personal or lifestyle questions before deciding whether to treat or not, they do it regardless.

If people want to vett who's giving them treatment they should go private and not expect to be able to hand pick HCPs treating them in what is effectively a free service[/quote]
Completely disagree with this, it gives the impression that it's some silly lifestyle choice rather than vulnerable patients trying to protect themselves from a life threatening illness.

Ask away - I won’t be giving my personal information. I don’t think anyone in my team will either. We won’t be filtering or pandering to such nonsense.
No time - over 80k vacancies nationally. I hope patients won’t want to waste our time either.

And the NHS is not a free service, if it is then I'd like some of my taxes back please.

@Pomegranatespompom

Ask away - I won’t be giving my personal information. I don’t think anyone in my team will either. We won’t be filtering or pandering to such nonsense. No time - over 80k vacancies nationally. I hope patients won’t want to waste our time either.

As is your right to do so, I'm just glad your not my HCP with that attitude.

@Pomegranatespompom
Absolutely. I will be gobsmacked if any of my patients ask me. I will be telling them fuck all and would be shocked to be asked such personal info.

@DayBath whether you think it's a silly lifestyle choice or not, its a choice non the less, not compulsory.

Well that’s just a bit silly @DayBath
wgat I say here has no relation to how I practice.

[quote 3littlewords]@DayBath whether you think it's a silly lifestyle choice or not, its a choice non the less, not compulsory.[/quote]
Haven't said it's not a choice. Haven't advocated for HCP disclosure to be compulsory, not sure what you're on about at this point honestly.

@DayBath

And the NHS is not a free service, if it is then I'd like some of my taxes back please.

Its a free service to the extent you aren't presented with a Bill at the end of your treatment, nor is your treatments restricted dependent on the amount of NI contributions you have made!

@Pomegranatespompom

Well that’s just a bit silly *@DayBath* wgat I say here has no relation to how I practice.

You just stated right here exactly how you would practice. That you wouldn't answer patients questions that you regard as "nonsense". I don't regard the question as nonsense, nor do I view it as 'silly' to dislike the attitude of a HCP who chooses dismissive language to describe legitimate fears and concerns of their patients.

I have already explained to you with processes and ppe we can protect patients. So yes it’s a nonsense question.

Btw I wouldn’t dismiss legitimate concerns - but that has nothing to do with staff vaccination status. You’re really missing the point of the covid vaccination.

And i have already explained to you that consultants at my Trust are not happy with the measures in place and are telling ECV patients it's not worth the risk even though they desperately need to be seen. Or are these consultants also talking nonsense, hmm?

I can only speak of my group of patients, it would be irresponsible to discuss patients not in my care. Just as you can’t possibly know everything about hospitals either.
Honestly I’ve no more to say to about this.
I’m sure someone else will be along soon for you to lecture.

@DayBath If a patient rings and asks to have vaccinated staff I will be telling them they cannot request staff based on their personal medical history. They can be treated with full PPE or they can decline their appointment. End.

This thread is bonkers. The day you can pick staff based on their medical history is the day we should also insist patients do not get NHS care if they overeat, don’t exercise, smoke, alcohol ++. Etc etc...

Treatment is based on rational decisions. My daughter has cared for numerous Covid patients in plastic apron, mask and gloves. No respirators, haz suits or visors. Neither her or any colleagues have been infected. PPE works.

This thread is just a waste of time at this point.

I can’t wait to have the vaccine. It will protect me. PPE will protect my patients as it has throughout the pandemic.

Maybe they could refuse you treatment if you haven’t had it?

Ok so let's say for arguments sake NHS staff are forced to take the vaccine, what happens if there are side effects? Can we Sue the government? Also you suggest we should not get sick pay if off sick with covid, what about an NHS worker who smokes and has a chest infection or an overweight nurse has a heart attack shall we suspend there pay too? Shall I refuse to treat patients who have self inflicted transmissible disease that you cannot vaccinate against?

Have a word with yourself 😅. For the record I will be having the vaccine but would laugh if a patient refused my care due to my vaccination history.

In the middle of a pandemic that has killed tens of thousands and a lockdown that has nearly wrecked our economy some people are suggesting that wanting to avoid close contact with someone who has refused a vaccine is ludicrous.

Meanwhile we have lots of 'nurses' telling us that no medical staff they know will risk the nasty vaccine.

Right...

But there isnt proof that a vaccinated person cant still catch it and spread it

So would be pretty pointless really!!!!

It is absolutely pointless.
But a chance for people to have a go at nhs staff, pp even managed to get digs in about sick pay.

Defo some pathetic fuckers on this thread