U.K. banned from Europe from Jan 1st

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Bad news for anyone who was hoping to get away next year :(

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/09/uk-holidaymakers-could-be-barred-from-visiting-eu-under-covid-safety-rules?fbclid=IwAR1ekypfCQe50MxEOIq3hvC3p2gy9nOCU7kUXPoajteT3xIpB27M3jlbPIE

@Viviennemary

Everything we buy from the EU can be bought elsewhere. Where's the big problem.

It's not just sourcing that's the issue though. It's customs capacity. We're now going to need customs checks on all the EU stuff and all the non-EU stuff that came through the EU and got checked when it hit the EU border. As far as I'm aware we haven't yet recruited enough customs officials to cope with that capacity and those we have are relatively new and not fully trained. It doesn't matter where you're stuff is coming from if it is stuck in a queue at any UK border port.

And that's before you get to the issue of new documentation not being filled in correctly and holding everybody in line after it up.

As it happens I think we're just going to wave stuff into the country unchecked for the first 6 months, but that's not without its own issues.

@Viviennemary

Nobody starved during the war in Britain AFAIK. All this scaremongering is getting a bit ridiculous. It's what the EU is relying on to make us sign up to a rubbish deal. I'm really glad I voted out. I can live without wine and beer.

So Brexit is like - the Second World War? Will we have convoys? Rationing? What fun. Except we were told easiest trade deal in history, sunlit uplands, etc. etc.

Nobody starved during the war in Britain AFAIK. All this scaremongering is getting a bit ridiculous. It's what the EU is relying on to make us sign up to a rubbish deal

I don't recall "the EU" threatening to starve anyone..

OTOH I do recall one prominent Brexiter mentioning something along those lines with regard to the ROI.

www.thejournal.ie/brexit-threat-food-shortages-ireland-4381228-Dec2018/

@Viviennemary

Nobody starved during the war in Britain AFAIK. All this scaremongering is getting a bit ridiculous. It's what the EU is relying on to make us sign up to a rubbish deal. I'm really glad I voted out. I can live without wine and beer.

The population of the UK was 20,000,000 LESS

Rationing continued until the 1950's

The diet was dull and limited

Transatlantic convoys stopped the UK from starving

but hey
if you are old enough to remember WW2, bully for you

Rafa
As it happens I think we're just going to wave stuff into the country unchecked for the first 6 months, but that's not without its own issues.

Not legal under WTO rules
unless EVERYTHING is just waved into the country from all countries

Nobody starved during the war in Britain AFAIK.

No, but we had rationing, turned most public parks and green areas into veg plots and had a thriving black market. It had also spent years building up massive warehouses of food to prevent the starvation issues that happened in WW1.

@ListeningQuietly

Rafa As it happens I think we're just going to wave stuff into the country unchecked for the first 6 months, but that's not without its own issues.

Not legal under WTO rules
unless EVERYTHING is just waved into the country from all countries

I think that's sort of the plan.

Presumably if you are exporting stuff made up of parts you've imported from elsewhere that weren't properly checked you're going to have a bit of an issue.

Rafa
TBH the container ports are so overcrowded at the moment, nothing much is going anywhere !

and yes, the re-exporting components part / proof of origin stuff
could get "interesting"

Yep, it's going to be a shitshow. Felixtowe & Southampton already have issues.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/future-relationship-gb-eu-border

This is what they are planning of doing with imports. It only mentions from the EU, but as you say, if they do it for EU-GB imports, then they have to do it with anything. Good for smugglers I assume.

Nobody starved during the war in Britain AFAIK

I believe some things weren't great during WWII.

I love it that the best Brexiters can say about Brexit is that it isn't quite as bad as the war!

But everyone talks about the Blitz spirit. Dunkirk spirit. One (six-odd year) long party. It will bring the country together. National service (much better than conscription into some EU army).

Those who refer to WWII seem to forget that we didn't start the war! We did start Brexit on the other hand.

@notevenat20, unless it was like the fire that was always burning since the world was turning. It just took the right parties to become interested to hold the gun and pull the trigger.

Zilla1 class parody responses are excellent. You have to do a double take to realise they aren't for real.

[quote Zilla1]@notevenat20, unless it was like the fire that was always burning since the world was turning. It just took the right parties to become interested to hold the gun and pull the trigger.[/quote]
Exactly what my son was singing to me in almost the same context :)

Dunkirk and Blitz spirit eh?

My parents had me when they were quite old, and I’m quite old. My df was a broken man. 5 years in the Dessert Rats destroyed him. He had to kill someone and was awarded a medal for bravery. He never recovered.

My mum used to tell me about the horror of seeing legs and arms after a bomb by the Germans. People traumatised by loss of homes and relatives. She spent all her early adulthood working nights in an amunition factory for 5 years.

They both hated Churchill. My great uncle fought at both battles of Passchendale. He was the only survivor. Another broken man. He was on TV in the 60’s and 70’s speaking about it. He was a CO in WW2.

So, I’m not keen on the Blitz spirit or Dunkirk spirit tbh. It seems to be that a lot of people involved in this were traumatised for life😕

For those who think there is an Australian style trade deal coming.

Malcolm Turnbull, former PM of Australia, on Question Time last night :

“Australia’s relationship with the EU is not one from a trade point of view that Britain would want, frankly”

“You've chosen a very courageous time to leave the largest free trade zone in the world"

@notevenat20, but the UK is brave. Courageous. would you want it to have adopted something safe. boring. Don't you have aspirations for the nation?

Noo please don’t let this be true I’ve rearranged my Spanish hen do for may 21 and my wedding in Greece for July 21 after the whole stress of rearranging it from this year.....believe it or not we booked our wedding abroad as ‘simple and easy’ way to do it as we have 2 preschool children and wanted to combine it with our family holiday and have friends and family join us as it’s always more relaxing holidaying together with kids! And now this

I love it when someone says 'courageous' while knowing full well it's spelled s-t-u-p-i-d.

My favourite is the "personal touch". Pls no brexit or pls EU don't be mean to us because I deserve a holiday!

notevenat20, but the UK is brave. Courageous. would you want it to have adopted something safe. boring. Don't you have aspirations for the nation?

You are reminding me of guys explaining why I should run naked across the grass at university.

The U.K. is brave?!😂😂😂😂

Suicidal more like. I don’t feel brave, I feel terrified.

Irony bypasses galore on this thread.