U.K. banned from Europe from Jan 1st

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Bad news for anyone who was hoping to get away next year :(

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/09/uk-holidaymakers-could-be-barred-from-visiting-eu-under-covid-safety-rules?fbclid=IwAR1ekypfCQe50MxEOIq3hvC3p2gy9nOCU7kUXPoajteT3xIpB27M3jlbPIE

A US style peace agreement.

Why would you want to go abroad during a pandemic?

@IcedPurple

Opening up all their bars and restaurants too quickly for British tourists to get shitfaced in almost certainly played a significant part in Spain’s second wave.

Most of the major outbreaks in Spain occurred well away from the major holiday resorts, so almost certainly didn't have much to do with British (or German, or Dutch or Swedish) tourists.

The Spanish had a very tough lockdown in March-May (we had it easy).

When things opened up the Spanish did go out and party hard, particularly the youth.

As the Minister on Radio 4 has just said, we were aiming for Canada and have arrived at Australia. Navigation at Great Britain's best.

As the Minister on Radio 4 has just said, we were aiming for Canada and have arrived at Australia. Navigation at Great Britain's best.

It’s funny but not true. Australia has trade deals with its major trading partners. As far as I can tell the UK will be in the worst position in the world.

In Boris's mind this is all posturing and he's going to strike a last minute deal and walk into parliament a hero. The EU don't seem to be in the mood though.

i'm in some Motorhoming groups and the majority going mad about the EU throwing their toys out of the pram and behaving childishly. They are suggesting all the motorhomes boycott the nasty EU countries as 'that'll show 'em' and holiday in the UK. They'll soon give us what they want then, they say!

Zilla they need you to go and cheer them up i think! There will be traffic jams on the M5 in the summer, tail to toe motorhomes clogging up Cornwall!

@notangelinajolie

No one has travelled anywhere for pretty much the whole of 2020 so what is so urgent that you have to travel on January 1st?

Hahaha

You must have missed the queues around Calais when the U.K. amounted France was going on the quarantine list them.

I went to the EU in August myself (to see my parents & friends AND for a holiday). My plane left from Edinburgh. It was full both ways. My ds discovered one of his friends was holidaying near to where we were staying etc...

So while I agree that less people have gone away. Many many people did. And are planning to do the same again as soon as they can.

Couldn't help myself fighting disinformation and EU lies - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4103485-EU-blackmailing-the-UK?watched=1&msgid=102518383#102518383

@notevenat20, at best that's broadly true though I think there may be a few nations who don't trade on WTO terms for all goods (Syria? Yemen...)

@Zilla1 We can go for a Yemeni style trade deal! :)

The UK has rolled over some of the existing EU trade deals (although many are less advantageous) so we won’t actually be quite that bad ... but WTO terms with your biggest and nearest trading partner plus all the disruption it’ll cause is going to be rubbish.

Plus, there will have to be some kind of trade agreement with the EU down the line, so I’m not sure that shooting ourselves in the foot now and limping along for a while is going to be particularly advantageous for when talks start again.

Now that WTO has come up, I'm asking here as well:

Just out of curiosity: did anyone look up trading standards of the WTO in relation to Services?
A big part of the UK gdp is from services and we have 20 days until end of year and no peep in the news on what will be happening on that front.
So great that we are all about manufacturing our own shit and fisheries, but they don't really amount to much in the bigger picture.

"Services are the largest part of the economy – in 2019, they accounted for 79% of output, production for 13%, construction for 7% and agriculture for 1%."
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02787/#:~:text=GDP%20by%20Industry,grew%20by%200.2%25%20in%20October.&text=Manufacturing%20output%20was%20up%201.7,is%20down%206.6%25%20on%20February.

@TheSunIsStillShining

The biggest players have registered new HQs in Europe a while ago. So the banks will be fine. But the rest of the service sector...?

[quote notevenat20]@TheSunIsStillShining

The biggest players have registered new HQs in Europe a while ago. So the banks will be fine. But the rest of the service sector...?[/quote]
Exactly my point. We know of a few huge players. But the services sector is made up of a lot of small ones like us. A 2 person firm with only EU clients. We don't work for the domestic market.

SabrinaThwaite
The UK has rolled over some of the existing EU trade deals

I think we have rolled over most of the existing trade deals now - 57 countries - Singapore and Vietnam in the last two days.

although many are less advantageous

In what way?

"The Japan deal includes provisions banning data localisation, highlighting financial services and supporting regulatory cooperation. For the UK, this proves that the country can negotiate a complex deal and devise its own model for trade priorities. And for the City’s financial services, infrastructure and data firms in particular, the deal forms a platform for London-Tokyo growth in a post-pandemic era."

www.cityam.com/finance-not-fish-the-trade-deal-with-japan-focuses-on-what-matters-for-the-city/

The EU never conceived any country would be brave-enough to leave on an Australian solution. An historical failure of imagination on their part.

Spain again -

The Citrus Management Committee (CGC), the umbrella group for some of Spain’s biggest private exporters, has warned that the country’s fourth biggest export market could be under threat if the UK fails to reach an agreement with the European Union on their future trade policy.

Last month [May] the UK set out its post-Brexit tariff regime, under which clementine and mandarin imports will be subjected to a 16 per cent tariff from 1 January 2021, while oranges will face a rate of 3.2 per cent.

CGC says this will put Spain at a serious disadvantage as the UK has signed preferential agreements with South Africa, Israel, Morocco and Turkey allowing them to export to the UK under a 0 per cent tariff.

The EU never conceived any country would be brave-enough to leave on an Australian solution

There is no Australian solution. It's a funny euphemism for no deal at al.

Everything we buy from the EU can be bought elsewhere. Where's the big problem.

@Viviennemary

Everything we buy from the EU can be bought elsewhere. Where's the big problem.

not by week after next it cannot ......

Where else can the UK source all the fresh fruit and veg that arrives every day ?

Where else can the UK source all the meat and dairy that arrives every day ?

Where else can the UK source the cod that arrives every day ?

Where else can UK factories get the products made by EU factories that arrive every day ?

Where else can the UK buy wine and beer that arrives every day?

@Clavinova but you can see why they'd rather keep Merkel sweet..

Spain benefits a lot from the EU. They have been the recipient of (one of?) the biggest coronavirus help grants and they export more to Germany and France, their direct neighbour, than to the uk.

They're not going to bite the hand that feeds them so Barry and Elaine from the hole counties find it marginally easier getting to the villa...

Nobody starved during the war in Britain AFAIK. All this scaremongering is getting a bit ridiculous. It's what the EU is relying on to make us sign up to a rubbish deal. I'm really glad I voted out. I can live without wine and beer.