Does anyone think london will go in to tier 3 before Xmas?

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Does anyone think london will go in to tier 3 before Xmas?

Just a meal out for the household but can't do that in tier 3

They should be... but they won’t... we will up here with our 77 cases per 100000 🙄

@MarshaBradyo

Just a meal out in a restaurant with our household but we can't do that in tier 3

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Just a meal out in a restaurant with our household but we can't do that in tier 3[/quote]
Ah ok I have birthdays coming up too and not sure what to do. Same here re meal out (London)

@AllTheUserNamesAreTaken

ceeveebee please could you share a link to that table, I can’t read the picture you’ve uploaded snd am interested in the figures

twitter.com/rp131/status/1336354425598857221?s=21

Here you go - he updates the table daily

You can’t really separate out London boroughs easily unless you’re asking restaurants and theatres etc to check proof of address and ID

I'm sure there are ways to do this by paying online and insisting that the booking and billing addresses match. That would work with ticket sales and even restaurants could ask for a deposit when booking. Not perfect, but it would deter a lot of people. Most boroughs have populations not far off a small city, so why can't they be separated?

When it went into tier 2, some MPs were saying it should be in tier 1 because it was so important so they won't be happy with tier 3.

@Haventbeenthere

You can’t really separate out London boroughs easily unless you’re asking restaurants and theatres etc to check proof of address and ID

I'm sure there are ways to do this by paying online and insisting that the booking and billing addresses match. That would work with ticket sales and even restaurants could ask for a deposit when booking. Not perfect, but it would deter a lot of people. Most boroughs have populations not far off a small city, so why can't they be separated?

Oh I’m not saying it can’t be done

Just saying it would be a pain

If places are operating on narrow margins anyway, this might be the point where they think, don’t bother.

If you’re a cafe in Fulham and you know most of your customers are local, then the paper ID check would be easier.

I’m just thinking aloud - to be clear, I don’t approve of lockdown and tiers etc.

It’s not actually illegal to leave a tier 3 area to go to a restaurant in tier 2. Just advised to avoid leaving the area. So restaurants will not be enforcing this. Same applies for every tier 3 area that borders onto a tier 2 area.
Personally I feel no guilt in going from my very low rate tier 3 area to the neighbouring tier 2 areas with higher rates.

@ceeveebee

It’s not actually illegal to leave a tier 3 area to go to a restaurant in tier 2. Just advised to avoid leaving the area. So restaurants will not be enforcing this. Same applies for every tier 3 area that borders onto a tier 2 area. Personally I feel no guilt in going from my very low rate tier 3 area to the neighbouring tier 2 areas with higher rates.

Oh that’s good to know.

Why shouldn’t it go into tier 3? Greater Manchester’s rates were coming down at the rate London was going up. Parts of greater Manchester had low rates but it was one rule for the entire area. We’re in tier 3 and our businesses are suffering. We’ve had very little time out all year. If it’s about protecting lives snd nhs then of course London will go tier 3.
But it won’t because bojo and his mates want to eat out.

Yes, they need to stop all the mad shoppers, good as it is for the economy

Shops are still open in tier 3. It won’t stop the west end being busy & there will still be crowds like there were this weekend.

All Tier 2 seems to be doing in London is driving social meetups out of Covid-safe pubs and restaurants, and into stuffy private homes. Tier 3 would make it even worse, I suppose

Really it should, as should Essex. I'm in Derbyshire and cases in many places here are lower than London and Essex, yet we are tier 3.

I think of they don't and they do keep the bits of the north where rates have dive-bombed and are now lower than London in tier 3 there will be actual riots..

I find it incredible that a city of around 8 million people can be in tier 2 the same as sleepy country towns here(Dorset) and our Neighbours in Devon! Something must be very odd going down .

It’s not so much about comparative numbers but hospital capacity.

So best to look at how they are doing.

@clareykb

I think of they don't and they do keep the bits of the north where rates have dive-bombed and are now lower than London in tier 3 there will be actual riots..

I thought there’d be riots ages ago. It seems people are genuinely terrified.

Yes it’s about hospital capacity and the age groups who are seeing the biggest increase?

It does seem unfair to other tier 3 areas though.

They should be... but they won’t... we will up here with our 77 cases per 100000

Funny that isn't it.

It’s spreading like wildfire around my borough. I’ve hardly known anyone with it up until now and it’s everywhere. I believe the second wave is truly on the way now. January is going to be not good

Our borough has very low rates, as do the nearby ones. Like others have said, it is harsh if you're the owner that café in Fulham which has to close despite such low rates.

At the same time, it is worrying that the rates in parts of the city are so high and climbing fast. A few weeks back, an MP recommended that they could chop it up into 4 zones and tier the zones according to the infection rates within them. It might be the best option. But they would need to use a lot of police resources to enforce it.

Remember when J van tam said something about easing restrictions along the lines of, yes it’s helpful but ‘don’t tear the pants off it’? But the trouble is that is exactly what people do, something reopens and gets crowded to the point it has to close again like the market in Nottingham. If only people would be responsible about not crowding and about taking all the precautions they can, not mixing indoors unless really needed, these poor businesses would actually stand a much better chance of being able to stay open.

@Waxonwaxoff0 No, the whole of Essex shouldn’t be in Tier 3. In fact, Essex was put into tier 2 when parts of Derbyshire (who were then in Tier 1) had rates that were three times higher than the area of Essex that I live in. The north of Essex should remain in tier 2 together with the counties that North Essex borders (Suffolk and Cambridgeshire). It’s the southern part of Essex which borders East London and which has a problem.