Is there going to be lockdown part three in jan do you think ?

[Lardlizard]

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@ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN

Most likely

The numbers of people crowding into shops in inevitable

Plus people meeting up at Christmas

This is the crazy thing. If everyone is going to have family gatherings in Christmas week then they need to be isolating beforehand, not piling into packed shops and herded on the high streets and public transport.

@ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN - but we don't bother with restrictions for normal flu. Normal flu makes lots of people sick, takes lots of people out for a couple of weeks, and a small number sadly need hospital treatment. But as long as its a small number who need treatment, we don't bother restricting peoples lives.

Once this isn't causing lots of deaths and isn't putting a strain on the NHS, where is the justification for any restrictions? And if the government wants to lockdown again, they've got to convince Parliament it is necessary. That's going to be a tough sell and I'm not convinced they'll try if they cant get it through.

It is a tricky one - we are hurtling rapidly towards a potential of a no deal Brexit (depending on who blinks first) that coupled with a lockdown at the same time....

Anything would have to go through Parliament and given what happened with the tiers I am not sure he would want to risk a vote on that.

More might go into Tier 3 in January though and the fact that people dont tend to do much anyway except work and school. Households wont be mixing at all

So no I suspect there wont be

Yes

@Quartz2208

It is a tricky one - we are hurtling rapidly towards a potential of a no deal Brexit (depending on who blinks first) that coupled with a lockdown at the same time....

Anything would have to go through Parliament and given what happened with the tiers I am not sure he would want to risk a vote on that.

More might go into Tier 3 in January though and the fact that people dont tend to do much anyway except work and school. Households wont be mixing at all

So no I suspect there wont be

There wasn't a second lockdown anyway. They just shut the pubs.

Does moving up a tier need to be agreed to by local leadership?

Can’t remember

@fishykettles

Idiots like these people in a tier three area will cause it. The idiots who let it happen and the idiots who went.

Apparently that Nottingham market has been closed, as the organisers did nothing to support the govt guidelines for SD and encouragement to wear masks.

The London photos were equally shocking. That's why I'd never even consider shopping in a large city atm, you have no control over the situation and it would be a wasted journey for me, as I'd just want to spin on my heels and get the hell out.

@MarshaBradyo

Does moving up a tier need to be agreed to by local leadership?

Can’t remember

Not anymore. Our local MP is livid about us being in tier 3, with our 52 cases per 100k of the population.

@User158340 I dont even think we actually had a first lockdown in the sense of other places.

That said more than pub was shut in the second lockdown

@Lardlizard

If you think it’s been done to death go and read something else ? I’ve not expressed an opinion either way I’m simply asking others what they think

Poor form, OP, engage and invest a bit of your time rather than putting out a comment and sitting back as if you're setting the exam question and don't need to make an effort.

[quote Quartz2208]@User158340 I dont even think we actually had a first lockdown in the sense of other places.

That said more than pub was shut in the second lockdown[/quote]
The only difference to most other places is that we were ‘allowed’ out for exercise.

Without a doubt!

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-55206779.

Nottingham has had to close it’s fair as too many people attended.

I think there won't be but maybe lots in tier 3. However, it won't be because of Christmas week. I think it will be because of schools. I feel so sorry for teachers.

BecomeStronger I am well aware we shall still have seasonal flu. We have a proved vaccine for flu. While many people are recommended to have the flu jab we do not shield people from the flu. We are also seeing many patients (many not hospitalised) with what appear to be long term impact on their health and now there are also patients that have caught covid twice

So yes there will be a need for restrictions for some time yet until a large percentage of the population have been successfully vaccinated.

We are coming up to the time when the NHS has to manage the increase in capacity on top of the number of covid cases many hospitals are having to manage

MargosKaftan covid hasn’t put the NHS under strain really ? You want to come and work on wards and in services that are still providing a full service. The reason why the NHS managed is becuase there have been lockdowns and restrictions to halt the spread of Covid. Unfortunately many people have not received the treatment they should have but many of us have still been working and I can assure you we are under a huge amount of pressure we don’t just put a mask on and carry on work as normal

I don't think there will be restrictions once the most vulnerable are vaccinated. Of course there will still be those who suffer long term symptoms etc but the numbers will be tiny in relation to the numbers that enforced governments to implement restrictions. There'll be no public support for it and the other problems restrictions cause will, by that point, be bigger than the virus itself. After all, poverty is the single most damaging thing for health.

Well yes, we should be having a quiet few weeks before seeing family at Christmas, except all the shops were shut in November, so people who would normally do their Christmas shopping then are having to do it now.

The government can't on one hand say they want people to spend the same amount, but then limit the time frame you can do that in, and be surprised that lots of people are all hitting the shops the weekend after they reopen - particularly if this year families are going to be posting more gifts than normal so want to get them bought this weekend and posted next week.

This is rather like back in March - government telling people that if one of their household had symptoms, the whole household would have to lock down for 14 days, then being surprised that most families interpreted that as meaning they had to stock up enough food and toiletries so they were constantly ready for a 14 day lock down, when normally most families shop 2-3 times a week for food and household items, and that might cause shortages.

Its like none of them ever have to do the logistics for family life and are constantly surprised at normal reactions to their rules.

After all, poverty is the single most damaging thing for health.
Well said-sadly some people here don’t grasp that, so thanks for highlighting-if you have never been poor you have no idea what poverty really means.

@stayathomer

but a large proportion of them were very very elderly and would have died anyway. I see it so differently, everyone who died this year potentially could be alive now

Me too Wen did our elderly become expendable

When even

but a large proportion of them were very very elderly and would have died anyway.
I see it so differently, everyone who died this year potentially could be alive now.

I agree the they'd be dead any view is disturbingly callous but the other issue we have is that whilst we've been busy protecting life from this virus, we've lost other people who would be alive if it weren't for the restictions and this could continue for a generation, depending on how bad the medium term economic fallout is. A generation of young people with no work and no prospects is a sure way to reduce life expectancy. Are their lives less valuable? Who's to say?

I don’t think anyone can will argue the impact of poverty will have on many people and the impact on people’s mh.

I have been poor I am well aware how awful it is. I work in mh I am well aware the impact lockdowns and restrictions are having but unfortunately (read the science) they shall be around for some time because of the impact this virus is not comparable to flu.

Well said @MargosKaftan

Yes it will all be down to the "plebs" daring to see family at Christmas.
Of course there will be absolutely no spread from "high value" individuals who dont have to quarantine after coming back from abroad.
Its those selfish "plebs" again wanting to see family members they havent seen for the best part of a year. If only they would know their place.

Yes.
Around 500 deaths a day right now.
Add in 3 weeks of Xmas shopping followed by Great Xmas Mixing.
Add in return to School in Jan, without enough time after GXM.
Add that to usual Jan/Feb issues in NHS.
It's a perfect storm.
Which will be handy for the Govt given the shambles that will be the early effects of Brexit on the ports / transport / supermarkets etc.
I hope things will be better by Easter, but I expect Tier 3 at least till then, possibly 3rd 'lockdown' (2nd actual lockdown?)